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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 20, 2018 19:13:08 GMT
Can Martin clarify for us what Avengers he's read/got. I know he's read both Knights of Wundagore & Heart of Stone and everything 2120 something (Trial of Yellowjacket to Judgement Day)
But before and after that?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 20, 2018 19:44:04 GMT
I've got collections containing Avengers #158-196 and #212-285. I've also read #150-157 and #286-293. So with those 15 missing issues I'll have read almost 150 issues straight.
Also got Avengers West Coast #42-57, and have read #17-30.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 21, 2018 14:13:38 GMT
Note to self:
Martin has not read pre Dark Phoenix X-Men or Liefield New Mutants
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 21, 2018 22:31:27 GMT
Martin: was it 202 or 203 which was missing from the avengers run?
It's not in the box, but neither is my 145 & 146, which I know I definitely own.
Looking at the covers for 202 and 203 on Mike's I don't remember either!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 22, 2018 5:14:28 GMT
You have given me:
The Avengers/Defenders War
The Complete Celestial Madonna Saga
Avengers #197
Avengers United #38 (containing #198-200)
Avengers #201-202
Avengers #204-210
Avengers Annual #10
Avengers #211
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2018 5:57:24 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 9:04:04 GMT
By Odin's beard I command thee.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 28, 2018 21:51:13 GMT
How's Martin doing with last week's haul?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 30, 2018 15:25:18 GMT
Only three issues in, I'm afraid. I've been away, visiting family in Torquay. But I'm back now and have a few days off, so...
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 31, 2018 7:13:19 GMT
They ride you pretty hard too, don't they Martin?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 31, 2018 7:38:42 GMT
No... that's just you, I think.
But they do nag me about the speed at which I read stuff.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 31, 2018 7:41:31 GMT
I genuinely want to know what Martin thinks about what I've leant him particularly as a few of the issues in that run are significant and there's some background stories to tell when he's passed certain points.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 31, 2018 7:45:53 GMT
I know, I was just misinterpreting Shockprowl's post for comic effect.
Finished #200 now.
I'm afraid I fear I may have read Avengers Annual #10 previously in a random Chris Claremont anthology book.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 31, 2018 7:48:30 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 31, 2018 8:23:03 GMT
Ah! Well I'll wait till you've re-read it...
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 1, 2018 16:06:16 GMT
Issues #197-202 read. Jarvis kicks butt and takes names in issue #201.
Issue #203 missing, but it apparently features Wonder Man heavily so I do not mind missing it.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 1, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
#204-205 done. The Yellow Claw does the plot of Moonraker! And the Avengers face a cyborg called... Transformer!
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 1, 2018 19:07:23 GMT
Jarvis kicking ass is a great issue. One of the all-time greats.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 1, 2018 19:11:25 GMT
Oh my stars and garters, the Avengers are now battling Pyron the Thermal Man, and to do so safely, they have all donned asbestos suits.
Martin
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Post by manmiles on Aug 1, 2018 19:18:29 GMT
Oh my stars and garters, the Avengers are now battling Pyron the Thermal Man, and to do so safely, they have all donned asbestos suits. Martin Don’t worry, give Trump another year and the asbestos safety suits will be back in vogue. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 9, 2018 18:47:27 GMT
Issue #207 read. The Shadow-Lord is no more. Next: The Berserker!
These issues appear to be drawn by whoever drew the DC Phantom Zone mini-series. A very distinctive style.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 10, 2018 15:53:20 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 12, 2018 20:31:57 GMT
Issue #210: "The Wrath of the Weathermen!"
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 14, 2018 20:13:02 GMT
Righto, I've now read all the loose Avengers issues Phil lent me.
I'm not sure quite what to make of issue #211.
Issue #210 involved all nine Avengers fighting the Weathermen, and Jocasta saved the day by defeating the satellite in orbit. Then Cap calls a meeting, announces that nine Avengers are too many (why is it too many?), and by the end of the issue five of the existing Avengers (Beast, Wonder-Man, Scarlet Witch, Vision and Jocasta) are out, and Yellowjacket and Tigra (who nobody appears to know anything about) are in. Basically it's back to the original Avengers, but with Tigra instead of Hulk.
Hmmm.
Considering all the threats to humanity that the Avengers face, I would have thought the more Avengers, the better, provided you excluded troublemakers like Hercules, Sub-Mariner and Moondragon who won't follow orders.
Why does Captain America consider the change in this issue to be an improvement? Is the Earth in safer hands now? If so, why?
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 14, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
And a few issues later they've lost Yellowjacket and Tigra and are down to four.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 14, 2018 20:56:16 GMT
Shooter's writing isn't firing on all cylinders at this point! He very much finds writing a book and being Editor in Chief too much at the same time. The book flounders for the year he writes - 211-219 and is starting to right i8tself when Stern come along. Saw this on Shooter's Avengers run last week: www.cbr.com/avengers-yellowjacket-jim-shooter/ |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 14, 2018 21:01:08 GMT
Avengers was much better when it was one or two small teams rather than in modern comics when literally hundreds of characters are Avengers and so the original point has been lost. Still some good comics but Avengers is more of a brand name now rather than a proper team book.
Nine Avengers are better than a hundred. Captain America was right!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 15, 2018 5:40:17 GMT
Nine Avengers are better than a hundred. Captain America was right! Cap didn't say nine was better than a hundred, he said six was better than nine, effectively making three of his comrades redundant for no apparent reason. I do agree with you that a small team makes for a better comic, but that can't be Cap's in-story reason, so what is? In-story, if the Avengers are supposed to be Earth's official government-sanctioned superheroes-on-call, shouldn't they build up the capacity to deal with multiple threats at once, or the ability to cope if two or three key members are otherwise engaged, or off sick? If I were an evil alien overlord or robot army looking to take over the Earth, I'd just wait until the Avengers were busy fighting another threat, or doing stuff in their solo comics, or even just getting ready to go to bed after a really tiring day, and then I'd strike! Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 2, 2018 19:57:34 GMT
Finished the Avengers/Defenders War Epic Collection.
Loved the interview with Jarvis in the bonus material.
The Swordsman in rubbish, and the Scarlet Witch is very annoying in this period.
On to the 'Celestial Madonna Saga'!
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 2, 2018 20:39:36 GMT
The Swordsman is not rubbish!
-Ralph
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