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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 7, 2018 13:50:35 GMT
I'll criticise them for being a half arsed effort across the size class!
Next year they'll leave all the wheels off on a size class, we'd criticise that wouldn't we?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 13:51:13 GMT
I remember the plastic felt like a shampoo bottle!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 13:56:08 GMT
You're missing my point.
There is a difference between: 'I don't like the idea of a thing' and 'A thing is badly done'.
Cyberverse Scouts are a new and different type of Transformer toy range. They are not designed to have full alt-modes. Now whether a fan thinks that concept is a good or bad one is up to them. Only hands-on experience can determine how successfully or not the concept is done.
For instance we could say 'One step transformers are pish' but that is not the same as 'One step transformers are well done (or badly done) for what they are'.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Sept 7, 2018 14:18:42 GMT
You're missing my point. There is a difference between: 'I don't like the idea of a thing' and 'A thing is badly done'. Whilst I normally agree with such feelings, I do think that the Cyberverse Scouts cross the line. You can have a perfectly achieved concept, but if the concept is pish then nothing can help you. See, well, the Bay movies! I genuinely can't understand a Transformer only half-transforming. W-why would you do that? Who wants that? |
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Post by browny87 on Sept 7, 2018 14:48:51 GMT
yeah I don't get that doesnt that kinda defeat the object of the whole name of the toys.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 15:46:07 GMT
Transformers has had products that don't fully transform for over 30 years. Most recently the Tiny Titans and the bigger robot Titans (not be confused with the Generations titan class).
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 7, 2018 15:46:32 GMT
Also Pish
But nothing, nothing, has looked like it's stuck between to modes before!
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 7, 2018 16:13:45 GMT
I remember the plastic felt like a shampoo bottle! -Ralph
AHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
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Post by blueshift on Sept 7, 2018 16:38:31 GMT
Transformers has had products that don't fully transform for over 30 years. Most recently the Tiny Titans and the bigger robot Titans (not be confused with the Generations titan class). -Ralph Those were action figures |
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Post by Toph on Sept 7, 2018 16:51:30 GMT
I'm inclined to both agree and disagree with Doc. But more or less agree with, on this. What he said about there being a difference between disliking a concept, and disliking a toy.
But mainly what I wanted to comment on is the "if it doesn't transform, it shouldn't be called a Transformer" train of thought, I see prevalent in the general fandom, because this debate is getting dangerously close to that.
Transformers is a brand. It's a set of characters, and races that exist within this toyline and fiction. Hasbro does not, and cannot even refer to their form changing as transforming. Transformers is what they are, not what they do, or who they are. We've had non-transforming Transformers toys since year one.
I think Kreo is the best example of this. I remember seeing all the time everywhere people railing against the Kreo model sets, because they "don't transform."
But they're legos. Transforming wasn't the point. The build was. You could build two pre-designed models from one set. For a lego fan, that was the point. If you wanted an optimus prime toy that converted from robot to truck, there are hundreds to choose from in the main toylines. The existence of a lego styled one did not detract from that, nor did it mean there was one less.
Does this mean the Kreo Optimus was a good model? Not necessarily. But such a comparison should be held towards Lego, Mega Blok sets, or other Kreo sets. It shouldn't be compared to Classics Voyager Optimus Prime, or RotF Leader Optimus. Because it's a completely different play pattern.
These Cyberverse scouts are similar. They're a completely different play pattern to the other toys. They're actually one we've not seen before.
Now if you don't like the concept of the line, that's one thing. (And I'll cop to the fact that I talk a lot of pish about the one/three-steps, myself)
But also the way I figure, people who fought to claim a watch with no name, character, alternate or robot mode, and does not transform counts as a proper transformer character and toy because it's protective cover flips open, didn't leave a lot of room for themselves to criticize these for not transforming. ;P
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Sept 7, 2018 17:20:12 GMT
I'm with Jetty. Transformers is a brand name encompassing the characters and don't have a problem with some toys under the brand being non-transforming. I don't think they'd go down the route of a main line being non-transforming toys anyway because that was one of the biggest appeals of the brand.
I don't have a problem with the scouts not transforming. Having bought a couple, my problem is they are absolute garbage and overpriced for what you get. Megatron is a solid little robot, charge £5 for just that and I'd accept it. Doubling the price for a gimmick that involves him sitting down and doesn't work half the time is ripping the mickey a wee bit. These are 30% more than the Titan Masters were and about 1/100th of the fun.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 7, 2018 18:14:43 GMT
Heeeeeeeey hey hey I don't mind non-Transforming Transformers. I love Action Masters and Kreo and all sorts of tat. It's just these guys DO transform but stop half-way for some reason. It's really weird, I can't get my head around it. I'd understand if they just transformed into an action feature, but they actually half-transform and uh, that's it. Why not go all the way if that's the case? I really hate it when someone does half a job  |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 18:30:45 GMT
Also Pish But nothing, nothing, has looked like it's stuck between to modes before! Action Master Elites. Over 20 years ago. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 18:31:23 GMT
Transformers has had products that don't fully transform for over 30 years. Most recently the Tiny Titans and the bigger robot Titans (not be confused with the Generations titan class). -Ralph Those were action figures I thought Transformers are action figures? -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 18:34:47 GMT
Heeeeeeeey hey hey I don't mind non-Transforming Transformers. I love Action Masters and Kreo and all sorts of tat. It's just these guys DO transform but stop half-way for some reason. It's really weird, I can't get my head around it. I'd understand if they just transformed into an action feature, but they actually half-transform and uh, that's it. Why not go all the way if that's the case? I really hate it when someone does half a job It's not half a job though. It's the point of this subline. They are designed to do what they do. It's a new play pattern for the brand. As to whether they are any good as toys and/or any good at executing that play pattern...well that's a different discussion. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 7, 2018 18:44:21 GMT
Also Pish But nothing, nothing, has looked like it's stuck between to modes before! Action Master Elites. Over 20 years ago. -Ralph They still transformed fully! |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2018 18:58:07 GMT
So do Cyberverse Scouts. They transform fully into what they are intended to be.
-Ralph
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Sept 7, 2018 19:44:27 GMT
Ralph's correct. It's not half a transformation, they do what they're supposed to do. It's just what they do is rubbish.
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Post by legios on Sept 7, 2018 23:33:02 GMT
So do Cyberverse Scouts. They transform fully into what they are intended to be. -Ralph Agreed. They are intended to be vehicleish with humanoid parts sticking out. That is not them doing half a job, it is them doing the full intended job. It would be like complaining that Orguss' Bronco turns from an aircraft into most of an aircraft with legs sticking out and saying that it doesn't transform the whole way. It does transform the whole way, the Bronco was never intended to become humanoid - aeroplane with legs is its full transformation. Likewise, the Cyberverse scouts are completing their transformations - their job is to turn from humanoid forms into partially vehicle/partially humanoid hybrid forms. That is what they are supposed to be, so they have done the whole job. Whether one likes that either aesthetically or as a mode of playing with the toys is an entirely separate thing - but one cannot claim that they are unfinished. They do what they are designed to do, no more and no less. I'm not sure that the play pattern particularly appeals to me, so I will likely vote with my wallet and not buy them. In the end that's how this works - if one likes a toy, one can buy it. If one doesn't one can not buy it. If enough people decide not to buy them they will do something else instead. If enough people do buy them they will carry on. Karl |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 8, 2018 7:21:47 GMT
Ralph's correct. It's not half a transformation, they do what they're supposed to do. It's just what they do is rubbish. Yes. This. Wise, the Baron B is. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 8, 2018 15:37:33 GMT
The thing is, all the other versions of those characters in this toy line do transform, and they do in the cartoon. So it's not too much to buy a toy and expect it to transform. It's clear the idea here is robot plus attack mode utilising the idea of transformation to achieve it. I can see what they're aiming at, it's not that they're half transformed, they're using a transforming ability to weaponise instead of having a sprung punch attack or holding a 5mm gun. It's just the end result isn't very good.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Sept 8, 2018 16:18:21 GMT
Wasn't there a similar mode in one of the Bayverse video games, possibly DOTM? You could do a mid-transformation where you're able to drive about while the sides of the vehicle stick out a bit so you can also use your robot mode weapons.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 8, 2018 16:19:14 GMT
a) video games.
b) but it did have a proper robot mode and proper vehicle mode too?
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Sept 8, 2018 16:49:31 GMT
Yes, had those as well. The other mode made transforming pointless though, the previous games you had to transform to shoot but that made it unnecessary.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 8, 2018 16:57:41 GMT
I'm not excusing these toys by the way, just trying to find the sense in them. I watched a couple of video reviews and they certainly ain't for me.
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Post by tomwe on Sept 8, 2018 19:05:02 GMT
The boy was bought Grimlock today after throwing a hissy fit for getting a blind bag he already had. Robot mode is good, but he was quite confused by the transformation. “Why don’t his arms turn into his legs like they’re supposed to”
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Post by blueshift on Sept 8, 2018 19:14:28 GMT
The boy was bought Grimlock today after throwing a hissy fit for getting a blind bag he already had. Robot mode is good, but he was quite confused by the transformation. “Why don’t his arms turn into his legs like they’re supposed to” And that sort of reaction is exactly my problem with them. If I can't understand what they're trying to do with them, how could a child? If a Transformer transform, you expect them to transform! |
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Post by Llama God on Sept 8, 2018 21:39:39 GMT
Sooooooooooooooooooooo... At the pub today I got a chance to play with the Megatron and Grimlock scouts and... yes, they're awful. But they're just fun to fiddle with. Maybe only a fiver's worth at most, not the full price. But if you accept them for what they are, they're great to fiddle with. Terrible Transformers, great fiddle-things.
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Post by Benn on Sept 9, 2018 8:17:24 GMT
So ironically, good for stressed adults, terrible for children?
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 9, 2018 8:29:48 GMT
Oh, do you think that was the brief?
"Hey Bob, what are the kids down with at the moment?"
"Have you seen these fidget spinner things?"
"No, what's that?"
"This."
"Oh that's cool. It spins. I like making it spin. I can fiddle with it. I can't stop myself... Hey Bob, design me a Transformer I can compulsively fiddle with."
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