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Post by Llama God on Jan 19, 2019 10:14:56 GMT
Sorry, sorry, had visitors here. Right. *clears throat* FUCKING BLURRY PICTURES! ... Is that right..? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 19, 2019 10:50:05 GMT
It'll do for now.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 19, 2019 11:09:18 GMT
The latter comes up one short from PotP. That had three unique molds, three unique characters, and four unique decoes, across three waves. The other two possibilities parallel PotP in a way. I think they're looking at getting at least one reuse - be it straight repaint, different head/accessories or complete retool - out of each leader mould. With POTP only one of them was main line, Rodimus Unicronus, with the other two - Nemesis Prime and Throne Optimus Primal being reasonably available exclusives. So THRILLING 30Jetfire - Retooled as CW Thundercracker, Starscream & Skywarp COMBINER WARSMegatron - Repainted as Armada Megatron
Ultra Magnus - Retooled as TR Powermaster Optimus Prime, then as Magnus Prime (Legends Ginrai) TITANS RETURNBlaster - retooled as Soundwave, and then again as BB Exclusive Soundwave
Sixshot - Repainted as Quickswitch and, in Japan, as Greatshot
Sky Shadow - Retooled as Overlord and, in Japan, as Dai Atlas POWER OF THE PRIMESOptimus Prime - repainted as Nemesis Prime
Rodimus Prime - repainted as Rodimus Unicronus
Optimus Primal - repainted as Throne of the Primes Optimus Primal SIEGEUltra Magnus - retooled as Cybertron Optimus Prime
Shockwave - ???? As we can see the Leader reuses have stepped across lines more than once, so looking within the lie to solve the problem isn't an ideal solution. I suspect the clues for Shockwave's reuse might lie with his extra bit. The secondary arm seems very odd, I wonder if they're necessary for whatever he's being retooled into. In terms of what's coming..... Well Thunderwing would seem a shoe in: he was on the vote a few years back, and most of the large toys there have now shown up. Plus he's an easy retool of Black Shadow. Star Sabre was on the list too.... Hmmm. Star Sabre, done right, would have four arms - smaller robot and larger. I think I can just about see a major retool of Shockwave forming Star Saber. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 19, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
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Post by legios on Jan 19, 2019 17:57:42 GMT
ne. We coulda had Jetfire with weaponizer macross armor and boosters. We coulda had Star Saber, or Thunderwing. We could have had two of them. Couldn't really have done a Jetfire with the armour - Hasbro have no legal claim on that at all. The original Jetfire was a modified Super Valkyrie - with the F.A.S.T packs. The one with the armour is the Valkyrie with GBP ArmourOr "the fat suit" as I have been known to affectionatlly call it. Much as I'd like to see what a Hasbro/Takara designed take on that looked like it would be a little too blatant. And also not likely covered by the dismissal of the last legal case (because that was about the rights to toys of the Super Valkyrie, not the Armoured Valkyrie) and therefore allow Harmony Gold to sue again and get more free money by reducing what they have to pay Tatsunko in licensing fees... Which would not be a happy outcome. Karl |
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Post by Toph on Jan 19, 2019 18:18:21 GMT
ne. We coulda had Jetfire with weaponizer macross armor and boosters. We coulda had Star Saber, or Thunderwing. We could have had two of them. Couldn't really have done a Jetfire with the armour - Hasbro have no legal claim on that at all. The original Jetfire was a modified Super Valkyrie - with the F.A.S.T packs. The one with the armour is the Valkyrie with GBP ArmourOr "the fat suit" as I have been known to affectionatlly call it. Much as I'd like to see what a Hasbro/Takara designed take on that looked like it would be a little too blatant. And also not likely covered by the dismissal of the last legal case (because that was about the rights to toys of the Super Valkyrie, not the Armoured Valkyrie) and therefore allow Harmony Gold to sue again and get more free money by reducing what they have to pay Tatsunko in licensing fees... Which would not be a happy outcome. Karl They've done it twice already: tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)/toys#Classicstfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)/toys#Thrilling_30Three times if you wanna count the non transforming Joe repaint: tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)/toys#G.I._Joe_and_the_TransformersHarmony Gold sues over every white jet with red stuff they see. They always lose. |
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Post by legios on Jan 19, 2019 22:30:47 GMT
Yes indeed they do. Sue that is. Unfortunately they have never lost - none of the cases have actually made it to the point of win/lose. They have always been settled - usually by the sued party going, here is some money to go away now pay our legal fees. They have sued others for even more specious reasons (Catalyst Game Labs, HBS and the folk behind Mechwarrior Online most recently. But, it was always likely that they got some benefit from doing so. They are not fools, and there had to be a reason. It was only when the details of HG's arbitration deal with Tatsunko became public knowledge recently (god bless the US concept of Discovery in legal proceedings) that it became clear what that was. Essentially, HG can offset any legal expenses incurred in "defending their license" against the license fees that they are due to pay Tatsunko. It isn't so much about making free money by running a protection racket scam. (Their cases are specious anyway because their claim to own the Intellectual Property rights to the Macross designs they always sue over are completely specious - which sadly has never been established in a US court because the cases always end up getting settled...) It is more about paying less money to the company from which they licensed the rights they do own (mostly dustribution rights to the original footage, and merchandising rights in Non-Far East territories). I am just a little cranky that they are getting away with it - having acted in bad faith for years - and look like taking every opportunity to carry on getting away with it until the end of their license. (At which point part of me hopes that Tatsunko is sufficiently angry at them for various shenanigans they have pulled over the course of their relationship that they just say "Iie." Cue disappearence of the right to distribute the original footage that was cut-and-shut into Robotech, leaving HG with a brandname (and some trademarks)with nothing to support them. Cue laughter and much schadenfraude from myself if it happens that way).
Karl
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Post by legios on Jan 19, 2019 22:45:15 GMT
Addendum - It has suddenly hit me, I may have misunderstood your original point. When you talked about armour, you were meaning the Super Valkyrie kit - the boosters, conformal fuel tanks, and missile launchers that Jetfire inherited from the Super Valkyrie weren't you? Not the armour from the Armoured Valkyrie configuration?
If so then I don't think HG _can_sue over that. The last case they brought there, the one about the Generations Jetfire was "dismissed with prejudice" meaning that they give up the right to sue that defendant on that ground again. So unless Hasbro lose their minds and make an actual copy of the Super Valkyrie, or started making something that was clearly something like a 98% identical version of a Legioss/Alpha Fighter, Armoured Valkyrie/Veritech or a Glaug/Battle Pod they are pretty much bullet-proof. HG basically can't sue them for doing toys "inspired by" the original Jetfire. It wouldn't clear the first hurdle.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Jan 19, 2019 23:18:51 GMT
Yeah, I'm talking about jetfire. What I'm talking about is no more or less than hasbro has done for the character updates in the very recent past. Only this like, it's weaponizer armor than everyone can use.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 20, 2019 17:47:05 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 20, 2019 18:09:32 GMT
Ironhides huge.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 20, 2019 18:09:55 GMT
Ironhide looks nice! And if Prowl is the same size as Sideswipe and Hound, then Ironhide's a good bit bigger/taller than the standard deluxe.
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Post by Toph on Jan 20, 2019 18:17:04 GMT
I think Prowl might be on the short side. He's got a lot of mass in the front end of the car, which gives him that weirdly oversized chest.
And it's about time we finally got a decent Ironhide. The last good one was FOURTEEN YEARS AGO.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2019 18:31:40 GMT
Is that deliberate do you think? Are they going for accurate scale now like they have done with Studio Series? That might explain Shockwave. By themselves, Siege figures are shaping up do be a nicely scaled collection. It's just when they go with anything else that the trouble starts.
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Post by Toph on Jan 20, 2019 19:13:55 GMT
I believe they did say scale was important in this line (although what defines scale is subjective, as I feel alternate modes should set the standards. One car being a quarter the size of a similar model deluxe just because the original toy came from a different line where the accent was on being chibi is a silly standard, to me)
Brushing that subject, I'm kinda really surprised Bumblebee isn't in this line for several reasons. I kinda think this is one of the few times when fan groaning about Bee's inclusion would be at a minimum, combined with him being one of the only guys in the all godly sunbow pilot to get an actual cybertronian alt mode.
Add into the fact this may be a "now or never" last chance to get a full update (if Hasbro could get VW to extend the license to Generations, or look the other way for a slightly more Beetle shaped vehicle), as VW is discontinuing the Beetle.
Plus, with the line's focus on weapons, they could get away with a small scout sized deluxe, that's beefed up with a super weapon (preferably his Actionmaster Helipack that breaks down into a rifle, two small arm cannons/rocket boosters, and a sword. Retool into Cliffjumper with Blaster's AM rocket pack).
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2019 19:32:51 GMT
I'm surprised by the lack of a Bee too. We've got the other three of the big four, and given his apparent prominence as a main character in the upcoming comic, it seems a bit odd he isn't included. Maybe it's just down to the fact his size class isn't in use at the moment.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2019 21:16:06 GMT
Is that deliberate do you think?. IIRC at the big reveal at whatever comic con it was Warden mentioned they were using the scale from the Sunbow show. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2019 21:18:20 GMT
I'm surprised by the lack of a Bee too. We've got the other three of the big four, and given his apparent prominence as a main character in the upcoming comic, it seems a bit odd he isn't included. Maybe it's just down to the fact his size class isn't in use at the moment. It may just be that between Cyberverse, Rescue Bots, the Bumblebee movie line figures and Studio Series that the market is currently over-saturated with Bumblebee toys! It makes sense to skip him in the Generations series at this point in time. He will probably appear later! -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2019 21:19:37 GMT
There is no other they'd go for. This Ironhide picture is quite a surprise, they're actually doing it!
This suddenly makes me quite attracted to the figures I wasn't going to get. Scale turns me on like nothing else. I might even be able to overlook the hyperdetailingbattledamagebollicks.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 20, 2019 21:22:08 GMT
I'm surprised by the lack of a Bee too. We've got the other three of the big four, and given his apparent prominence as a main character in the upcoming comic, it seems a bit odd he isn't included. Maybe it's just down to the fact his size class isn't in use at the moment. It may just be that between Cyberverse, Rescue Bots, the Bumblebee movie line figures and Studio Series that the market is currently over-saturated with Bumblebee toys! It makes sense to skip him in the Generations series at this point in time. He will probably appear later! -Ralph I think you're right. I don't see Micromasters lasting all three segments of this trilogy, if that's what it is, as soon as Legends return he'll be there. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2019 21:23:09 GMT
For me, Siege is such an odd line. In pictures prior to it coming out I thought the over-detailing, 'Cybertronian' modes and battle damage were poop. I couldn't see the point of doing the same old characters yet again. And yet having had a shot of quite a few from other people I find that in hand the figures are rather excellent! I haven't experienced a duff figure yet. I can see myself picking up a lot of the line in due course.
This is why fans should never be paid too much attention by Hasblowwwwwwww. We, the fans, don't really know what we want!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jan 20, 2019 21:35:37 GMT
The over-sculpting was either scaled back in the production runs, or just simply does not stand out nearly as bad in hand.
Either way, these toys just do not photograph well.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 20, 2019 21:45:16 GMT
I agree. In hand they are quite detailed but in a way that looks quite nice and feels like added value. I don't even mind the mud splashes/battle damage.
They do indeed just not photograph well.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 20, 2019 22:05:14 GMT
Seige will save us all!
I hope Prowl isn't smaller than Sideswipe and Hound though!
And I really hope they give us a Bumblebee with wings, as the youngest calls him.
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Post by Llama God on Jan 21, 2019 7:28:23 GMT
This suddenly makes me quite attracted to the figures I wasn't going to get. Scale turns me on like nothing else. I might even be able to overlook the hyperdetailingbattledamagebollicks. And no-one wants battle damaged bollicks. But on the Bumblebee front, whilst I too would welcome one (and I like Toph's idea), I also agree that despite the fact that he's one of the prominent characters - he's even just had a film about him - he's also slightly over-saturated. When I went to Smyths yesterday, the Transformers section was massively run down (they've clearly not had a restock since before Christmas), and the majority of the remaining toys were, indeed, Bumblebee figures, from both the movie and Cyberverse lines. And this is despite of his current prominence. So I can see why it might not be a good ask for retailers to carry even more of that character, even if it is in a different line. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 21, 2019 13:07:57 GMT
SIEGE SHOCKWAVE'S HERE!!!!!!
*HYPERVENTILATES*
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 22, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
PHIL!!! PHIL!!!
Have you opened Siege Shockwave yet?!
I need an octopussy conference.
The sled isn't in his instructions, I just kinda assembled it from pics. I've found one doesn't have to use the two octopussy arm sections (which creep me out). I've also found Space-brick mode doesn't necessarily need them either, so I've more or less discarded them now. However, the two thin double gun bits that go on his feet in robot mode- I can't find anyway good way to attach them to Space-brick mode! Any suggestions...?
Edit: Best I've found is to attach them to his legs sections, at the rear of the Space-brick. But that means the open unmolded underside of them is exposed and doesn't look good. He would also end up shooting his own gun-hose.
...the hose is a problem in Space-brick mode, actually...
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 22, 2019 19:51:54 GMT
PHIL!!!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 22, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
PHHHHIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 22, 2019 20:43:19 GMT
Phil has been enjoying real life by seeing his mother and having dinner with his oldest friend!
No, only had 2 hours with Shockwave and Magnus yesterday before I left which, together with having bath and packing, was just about long enough to unbox them. Both look nice.
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