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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 3, 2018 21:37:50 GMT
The fire engine in Trumpton was red, so Hotspot's colour is not acceptable to Martin. Shame, as he's a great toy otherwise (by 1986 standards, anyway) Phil still waits for a proper red version of original Hotspot (Guard City's Fire Chief is a half finished job which still has bits of blue and G2 Hotspot was never released & has huge chunks of orange) |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 3, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
No, Phil, no.
The proper version of Hotspot already exists. He is blue!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Aug 3, 2018 22:27:20 GMT
Would special teams have returned as give aways during classics? Yes, they did. I received a Classic Aerialbot (that's what I was told) First Aid for getting a letter printed in - I think - issue 320. Blaster told me I should be a film star. I got a classic Fireflight for getting mine printed in 263, so they were using them for a while. |
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Post by Llama God on Aug 3, 2018 23:02:04 GMT
No, Phil, no. The proper version of Hotspot already exists. He is blue! Sacre bleu! |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 3, 2018 23:10:31 GMT
No, Phil, no. The proper version of Hotspot already exists. He is blue! -Ralph A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... |
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Post by Benn on Aug 3, 2018 23:35:35 GMT
*twitches*
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 4, 2018 0:30:35 GMT
Oh Phil.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 4, 2018 6:02:04 GMT
A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... Phil, you're undermining my sensible "Hotspot was the wrong colour in the first place" argument with silliness. A red Hotspot toy _now_ would not make Hotspot the right colour. The real Hotspot would still sadly be blue. And Optimus Prime is not a fire engine. Inferno and Red Hot are fire engines. Hotspot is a miscoloured fire engine. Optimus Prime is a lorry. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 4, 2018 6:07:28 GMT
If they release a red version of Hotspot, it should be called "Hotspot some years later after he realised he was the wrong colour".
I look forward to the great Blast Off debate next week! (Though space shuttle is a rubbish disguise even when correctly coloured.)
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 6:45:36 GMT
A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... Phil, you're undermining my sensible "Hotspot was the wrong colour in the first place" argument with silliness. A red Hotspot toy _now_ would not make Hotspot the right colour. The real Hotspot would still sadly be blue. And Optimus Prime is not a fire engine. Inferno and Red Hot are fire engines. Hotspot is a miscoloured fire engine. Optimus Prime is a lorry. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 6:48:00 GMT
.... Though I suspect the much commented on resemblance between the robot mode and Optimus' robot mode was another reason for not making Hot Spot red.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 6:53:03 GMT
And Optimus Prime is not a fire engine. Inferno and Red Hot are fire engines. Hotspot is a miscoloured fire engine. Optimus Prime is a lorry. Martin I've always thought, even before Car Robots/RiD Happened, that if Optimus had to be something else, he should be a Fire Engine. A suitably heroic large red vehicle. It might have been interesting to see what fans would have made of an Optimus with a alt mode at that stage, and whether we would have got quite the outcry we got when Beast Wars happened. Or indeed when he did eventually become a combiner in Combiner Wars. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 4, 2018 7:00:46 GMT
It's not so much that a fire engine is so dissimilar from a lorry that Optimus Prime _couldn't_ evolve into a fire engine. It's just that when Inferno, Grapple and indeed Huffer and Mixmaster have already set the precedent of other characters having lorry-like configurations, I see no reason at all to automatically jump on anything that is vaguely that shape and assume it should be yet another body for Optimus Prime.
In robot mode, Soundwave looks more like Prime than Hotspot does. If Hotspot was red, with maybe a yellow chest-plate - or make it green, to head people off before they can complain he's too much like Blaster - and a black head, and no blue on him at all - there's no way you could say he's too Prime-like.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 9:23:21 GMT
For me it is a combination of factors that make me associate Hot Spot with Op. It's not just the "Fire engines should be red" thing, but the body shape is Prime Like, down to the chest having moulded window details, and the head is very Prime like too, with the faceplate, crest and "ears".
We know it's an unused Diaclone toy, we know they reused the Convoy name & character.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 9:28:37 GMT
No, Phil, no. The proper version of Hotspot already exists. He is blue! -Ralph A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... Yes, in RID. A different character so not Hotspot then! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 9:29:15 GMT
A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... And Optimus Prime is not a fire engine. Martin He has been! I used to have the toy! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 9:30:24 GMT
.... Though I suspect the much commented on resemblance between the robot mode and Optimus' robot mode was another reason for not making Hot Spot red. Is this another mad theory of yours? Are you trying to claim RID Optimus Prime was originally going to be Hotspot??? -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 9:32:14 GMT
For me it is a combination of factors that make me associate Hot Spot with Op. It's not just the "Fire engines should be red" thing, but the body shape is Prime Like, down to the chest having moulded window details, and the head is very Prime like too, with the faceplate, crest and "ears". We know it's an unused Diaclone toy, we know they reused the Convoy name & character. You have gone TOO FAR with your gibbering madness this time! Hotspot and Optimus Prime have £$£"!£!"£¬¬ all to do with each other! As toys!!! Or!!! As characters!!! It's a Transformer with ears! IT CAN ONLY BE...OPTIMUS PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME! -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 9:33:18 GMT
A red version of Hotspot could be called something else..... .... Like Optimus Prime maybe...... Yes, in RID. A different character so not Hotspot then! -Ralph But there's no reason why original Op can't be redone as a fire engine is there? |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 4, 2018 9:36:53 GMT
.... Though I suspect the much commented on resemblance between the robot mode and Optimus' robot mode was another reason for not making Hot Spot red. What resemblance? |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 4, 2018 9:40:01 GMT
For me it is a combination of factors that make me associate Hot Spot with Op. It's not just the "Fire engines should be red" thing, but the body shape is Prime Like, down to the chest having moulded window details, and the head is very Prime like too, with the faceplate, crest and "ears". We know it's an unused Diaclone toy, we know they reused the Convoy name & character. They reused the 'Convoy' name for a number of toys, but were they meant to be the same character or does Convoy mean something more generic in the original contest? It would be like every character with the word 'Wheel' in their name being the same character. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 4, 2018 11:21:59 GMT
And Optimus Prime is not a fire engine. Martin He has been! I used to have the toy! -Ralph Not in the original Transformers line, he wasn't. And a different character, I think. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 4, 2018 11:33:15 GMT
I feel I must now vote for Hot Spot. The blue fire engine.
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Post by legios on Aug 4, 2018 11:44:56 GMT
They reused the 'Convoy' name for a number of toys, but were they meant to be the same character or does Convoy mean something more generic in the original contest? It would be like every character with the word 'Wheel' in their name being the same character. Well, none of the Diaclone toys are actually characters per-se. They are strictly non-sapient vehicles operated by members of the Diaclone team. The mecha themselves are no more characters than say, the Zeta Gundam or a Zaku, are - the car that Batou drives in Ghost in the Shell:Standalone Complex. In Diaclone the mecha are just vehicles that people operate - it was Transformers that made them characters in their own right. Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 4, 2018 12:00:24 GMT
That's not strictly true though is it? The little men are gone by the later stages of the toyline. Devastator, Raiden and the Jumpstarters don't have them.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 12:45:08 GMT
Yes, in RID. A different character so not Hotspot then! -Ralph But there's no reason why original Op can't be redone as a fire engine is there? You could but it would make no sense AS HE WAS A TRUCK. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 12:46:24 GMT
That's not strictly true though is it? The little men are gone by the later stages of the toyline. Devastator, Raiden and the Jumpstarters don't have them. Obey the Kaptain's superior knowledge in this matter! Obey! -Ralph |
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Post by legios on Aug 4, 2018 17:04:19 GMT
That's not strictly true though is it? The little men are gone by the later stages of the toyline. Devastator, Raiden and the Jumpstarters don't have them. The Inch-Men are gone certainly, but I think that was more a matter of the toys moving to a smaller scale and so no longer being able to accommodate those particular figures. I've not encountered anything to suggest that it was accompanied by a shift within what little fiction there was from them being piloted mecha to autonomous robots. (culturally that would be a surprising shift at that point of time - large mecha were pretty much always piloted or controlled by a person, even if it is by remote control like "Iron Man 28" (Gigantor), robots in the sense of autonomously thinking mechanical devices seem to be much rarer and tend towards the human scale (Tetsuwan Atom/Astroboy) or smaller (Haro(s)). It isn't impossible that the later Diaclone mecha were intended to be autonomous, but it would quite a radical step so I'd suggest that the lack of pilots was simply due to the smaller scale that the toys were on (pilots to the same scale as the Train Robo would have been very, very tiny figures indeed, on the grain of rice scale, with all the attendant issues). Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 6, 2018 20:40:04 GMT
Minor point of interest about the Protectobots: the four smaller Protectobots all have differently shaped handguns, but they are all apparently photon pistols, equivalent to 5,000-watt lightbulbs. Similarly, all the Constructicons' handguns look different but they are all apparently laser pistols. Contrast with Bluestreak/Prowl/Smokescreen, Grapple/Inferno, Starscream/Skywarp/Thundercracker, Buzzsaw/Laserbeak, etc. whose weapons look the same but do different things.
The handguns of the Aerialbots, Stunticons and Combaticons all look different _and_ do different things.
What I can't think of, off the top of my head, are any TFs whose weapons look the same _and_ do the same thing. Hmmm. Maybe Frenzy and Rumble. But you have to go to their instructions to find what their guns are called. (They're "thruster guns", apparently.)
Funny old world.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 6, 2018 20:54:20 GMT
To add a further twist, while the small Stunticons' handguns do different things, their big car guns all do the same thing - they are plasma-energy blasters. Meanwhile the Protectobots' handguns do the same thing (all photon pistols) but their big vehicle guns do different things! And the Combaticons' big and small guns all do different things!!!
Martin
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