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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 30, 2021 5:04:06 GMT
Crocodile beats bat in my opinion. Even if the bat is packing a brace of scimitars? Also, Bruce Wayne would not have had such success as Crocodileman. Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 6:33:29 GMT
Optimus Primal wins
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 6:33:55 GMT
Week 180: What is the best Beast Wars Basic Flipchanger Maximal?Meet the European Year 1 Beast Wars Basic Assortment: With the exception of one repaint released much later, these are all the mainline Beast Wars Basic Flipchangers. In the US these were divided into TWO waves, with Rattrap & Razorbeast in wave 1 who were joined by Armadillo in Wave 2. You will note there's one less Maximal than Predacon and the Maximals don't have a retool from the vs pack. Here's the three Maximal Flipchangers: Armordillo tfwiki.net/wiki/Armordillo#Toys Rattrap tfwiki.net/wiki/Rattrap_(BW)/toys#Beast_Wars Razorbeast tfwiki.net/wiki/Razorbeast#Toys
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Post by The Huff on Jul 30, 2021 6:55:38 GMT
Rattrap. And not because of the show character. The day I saw pictures of these in a Tomart Action Figure magazine in late 1995, the rat one with its massive head and obvious transformation was the one that caught my eye and was the one I wanted the most. Love the way his animal legs just stick out to the sides in robot mode. I assumed he was a bad guy.
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Post by Llama God on Jul 30, 2021 7:25:25 GMT
Yeah, I think it's going to have to be Rattrap - and I don't just think it's because of the show (although it's hard to be sure). Those feet sticking out the side may be ridiculous, but they do draw the eye...
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 7:27:06 GMT
Crocodile beats bat in my opinion. Even if the bat is packing a brace of scimitars? Also, Bruce Wayne would not have had such success as Crocodileman. Martin These are valid points to be sure. However, when represented in these plastic forms, I feel the crocodile pips it.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 7:30:43 GMT
Hey I have these! Two of 'em anyway. TOYS I RECOGNISE! I have rat and hog. I love their transformations; they're really effective toys.
Razorbeast for me because of his removable tupee of Doom.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 7:59:38 GMT
Rattrap is the only one of these three to have a Western Repaint and even then it's a convention exclusive: Packrat. Razorbeast wasn't available in Japan except via import. The same goes for Iguanus. They both get a Neo repaint though, and indeed are in opposition to each other as C-34 vs D-24 (and in VS-34). Unfortunately Razorbeast's Neo repaint Randy is notorious for it's GPS - I broke one getting it out the packaging! In Japan Armordillo was available in his original colours in the VS-X1 Volcano Showdown playset. He's also repainted in Neo, as Bump, and in Robotmasters as Psycho Orb Like many of the show characters, there are TWO versions of Rattrap in Japan The first, with a green sticker on the packaging, is the US Release The second, with a pink sticker, is a tweaked deco closer the show tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/Rattle/rattle.htmTFWiki think BOTH versions were available in the VS packs but I've been unable to confirm this so far tfwiki.net/wiki/Rattrap_(BW)/toys#Beast_Wars
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 8:00:38 GMT
Why there has never been a Predacon Black Rat Rattrap repaint (Vermin? Plague?) is beyond me. Easy money!
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Post by Benn on Jul 30, 2021 8:25:41 GMT
I really like Bump. Much better colours than the original.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 30, 2021 9:32:11 GMT
I used to have Psycho Orb!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 10:00:39 GMT
I have all of the above bar Pakrat!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 10:01:55 GMT
Remakes: Rattrap has had a new form in Transmetals and Beast Machines. He's also had new versions of his original form done in Thrilling 30 and Kingdom.
Neither of the others, as non show characters, have been touched :-(
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 12:04:25 GMT
Psycho Orb?
BUMP?!
RANDY?!?!?!
Ahhhh come on!!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 13:42:14 GMT
Razorbeast wasn't available in Japan except via import. The same goes for Iguanus. This has taken me down a rabbit hole this morning.... TFWikis pages for Razorback and Iguanus say they're shown on an early Japanese catalogue. I did some digging and I found it..... which is why I've spent a large amount of today scanning: This is the Japanese image showing them and giving their names: it's a battle scene from the first Japanese catalogue using all the first year US toys. They don't feature anywhere else on the catalogue, neither does Insecticon who would end up paired with Year 2's Airazor in the last wave of Japanese original BW toys - now I don't have a catalogue showing them (or Inferno & Cybershark) - does anyone else? Here's the rest of the catalogue (clck to go to Flickr foe enlargements) - it's in bits so you'll need to click on different bits of the same picture
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 30, 2021 14:07:21 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 30, 2021 14:45:55 GMT
Oh this is tough. Armordillo was my first Beast Wars toy, by no more than a few days at most and possibly just by being the first of several bought at the same time, still first. I love it but have to admit its the weakest of the three. I got Bump this year and the colours work better there.
Theres almost nothing between Rattrap and Razorbeast. But I had nearly a year between getting these and seeing the show and Im sure I favoured razorbeast. And I pretty much stick with that opinion now.
Theres almost nothing in the robot modes, but the smaller head on RB just give him a slightly better proportioned figure. the back pack tucks away a bit better so it doesnt look like hes carrying a splayed animal around. (even though thats exactly what they are doing. There totally should be a prehistoric, cave man reimagining of Beast Wars... I mean not as in the cartoon we already got)
The extra articulation in beast mode gives razorbeast ever so lsightly more play value there too.
Rattraps gun is great, very sensible weapon in a series that leant heavily in to silly tail/gut/leg/wig guns.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 30, 2021 14:54:14 GMT
Ive broken several Randys thanks to Toyfu. I may or may not own one, but I do have the Animal Defenders Knock off which is coloured halfway between RB and Randy.
Packrat continues to be one of my favourite Transformers ever. Lovely colours.
Its actually kind of baffling that Armordillo has wound up with more repaints than either of the other two.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 17:47:44 GMT
Hey guys! I got all of these except for the armadillo! Hang-on- the turtle is a Predacon...?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 17:56:25 GMT
Yes, not all Turtles are heroes
As a general guide to the US line:Dinobot (and his repaint Grimlock) is the major exception and we'll go into that in two weeks time because it's a bit more interesting than it looks at first sight.
The other major exception is possibly Spittor but that's not for a few months yet and we'll have a warm up round in the Extra poll on that matter
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 18:03:13 GMT
Spittor is the frog! I knew that! I knew it already! AND I OWN HIM TOO! YES! BACK-OF-CHESSBOARD!
But Snapper ain't no baddie in the Shockprowl household. No way. I think I remember the fact he was a Predacon, actually, but he's been a goodie for so long now it is *WORD*.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 18:15:34 GMT
What colour is Shockprowl's Spittor?
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 18:17:19 GMT
Blue.
What does that mean, Master Big Phil of the Lore?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 18:28:09 GMT
It means you have the normal one.... who's card says (incorrectly) he's a Maximal but his rubsign reveals his True Allegiance as a Predacon There is also a special red one And a Green Japanese version which comes with a playset that I'd love to own but it's ££££
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 30, 2021 19:19:22 GMT
Ohhhhh he's a double-agent-spy-agent?!?!?!
Awesome.
(Although, again, established goodie in the Shockprowl house. I've no choice in the matter.)
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 21:05:40 GMT
Ohhhhh he's a double-agent-spy-agent?!?!?! Awesome. No, Alas. Hasbro Europe realised there were too many Predacon basics in the third BW Basic case and side swapped a Predacon instead of ditching an earlier Predacon basic and keeping the only remaining show Maximal basic. (Although, again, established goodie in the Shockprowl house. I've no choice in the matter.) Someone needs a chat with your daughters!
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Post by Benn on Jul 31, 2021 8:38:38 GMT
I feel it must be asked; In the Shockprowl household, who are the actual baddies?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 1, 2021 20:53:46 GMT
In many ways these three are quite similar: quadrupeds pull up on the tail, the beast head folds down to become the robot chest and the legs extend out the back of the toy. In many ways, a Beast Wars version of the Sideswipe/Gobot TF. Rattrap and Razorbeast are even closer to each other with the beast body folding out to the sides with the arms pegged into the sides. The weapons are all different: Armordillo's are formed from his rear feet: loose on of those and the beast is fatally compromised. Rattrap's two part gun is nice but has boiled my p!$$ ever since I bought a Rattrap minus the rear half of his gun and have thus far failed to replace it. Razorbeast's beast mode doesn't look too bad without the weapon and the weapon can additionally mounted on the robot mode's back. So Razorbeast for me. And to celebrate here's a lovely picture of him from Ed Pirrie!
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 2, 2021 20:59:45 GMT
I feel it must be asked; In the Shockprowl household, who are the actual baddies? Ummmmmm.... T-Rex Megatron.... Ummmmmm..... Some of the others start out as baddies, but are quickly reasoned with and convinced to be goodies.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 5, 2021 7:38:56 GMT
Finishes tomorrow. Razorbeast leading
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