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Post by The Doctor on Mar 27, 2018 16:56:14 GMT
Uh, you have seen the cartoon where Soundwave's tape deck mode fits in the palm of Spike's hand? Blaster, yes, a boom box, no question. But Soundwave looks nothing like that. I did not have access to the cartoon as a child so I went by the comic where it was a big boombox. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 27, 2018 20:13:01 GMT
Was he a boombox in the comic....?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 27, 2018 20:18:29 GMT
HE WAS HUGE!!!
SOUNDWAVE IS NOT A PORTABLE CASSETTE PLAYER!!!!
FUCKING HUGE!!!
LIKE A GHETTOBLASTER!!!!
FUCKING HUGE TAPE PLAYER!!!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 27, 2018 20:52:19 GMT
Ummm... The tapes would argue your point - If is cassettes were C90 tapes then he could be bigger, but as it is we can deduce an upper limit to his size. He has to be small enough that the cassettes fit snugly into the cavity for the as we observe that they do, so therefore he must be small enough to be in the same scale as the cassettes, which we know are "Mini", and can work out the size of by comparing them to the real-life Mini-Dat cassettes that they are disguised as. (Which are about half the size of the C90 cassettes used by most radio-cassette players... If Soundwave was a huge boom-box the tapes would rattle around inside a cavity far too large for them. The fact that they fit firmly inside his the cavity puts an upper limit on his size in alt-mode. He can't be wider than one-and-a-half/two Mini-Dat tapes. Ergo, this would suggest that he was not huge.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 27, 2018 20:54:03 GMT
I had no idea mini tapes existed when I was a kid. I thought all tapes were c90 and the like in size!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 27, 2018 20:54:59 GMT
I was just about to say exactly what Legios has done so well! The tapes dictate Soundwave's cassette mode size.
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Post by legios on Mar 27, 2018 20:55:55 GMT
Was he a boombox in the comic....? Not entirely conclusive in any event, there were some issues with sizing in the comic in some cases. Skids springs to mind, who is always depicted with a vehicle mode significantly larger than it should be. (Ratchet and Ironhide similarly are often drawn far wider than they are - in both cases mostly because US-based artists didn't realise how small they actually were, because they weren't something that was particularly common over there - with America's tendency towards larger motor-vehicles compared to Japan's tendency towards smaller ones that deal better with their crowded cities.) Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 28, 2018 4:46:04 GMT
The Cassettes have disguised themselves by slotting into normal-sized cassette decks in fiction (e.g. Ravage into O's ghetto-blaster in US #2, Ratbat into Buster's tape player in 'Toy Soldiers', and Laserbeak in 'Laserbeak's Fury') so maybe they can assume either size at will?
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2018 7:07:27 GMT
The Cassettes have disguised themselves by slotting into normal-sized cassette decks in fiction Martin EXACTLY. Martin be praised! -Ralph |
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Post by Benn on Mar 28, 2018 9:48:50 GMT
Okay.
When I was a kid, I didn't know about the mini tape thing either. I always assumed the tapes were normal sized, but that Soundwave was a type of Walkman. Hence the belt clip.
That seemed to make the most sense.
It was a bit of a mind blow to discover that Megatron, Soundwave, and Reflector were all kinda meant to be life size.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 28, 2018 9:52:02 GMT
I didn't have Soundwave as a lad, but I did have a walkman which I did clip to my belt. So had I owned Soundwave then yes I would have clipped him to my belt.
Andy
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 28, 2018 14:48:13 GMT
EXACTLY.
Andy be praised!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2018 17:08:25 GMT
I didn't have Soundwave as a lad, but I did have a walkman which I did clip to my belt. So had I owned Soundwave then yes I would have clipped him to my belt. Andy UTTER MADNESS. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2018 17:09:13 GMT
Have you clipped Soundwave to your belt? Have you??? HAVE YOU??? -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 28, 2018 23:13:25 GMT
If you're as cool as me the answer can only be yes.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 7:13:29 GMT
Then you haven't.
I watched McFeely's THE BASICS: SOUNDWAVE video. No mention of belt clipping and the bits of cartoon featured showed Soundwave as clearly FAR TOO LARGE AND CHUNKY to fit on a belt!
Case closed.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 29, 2018 15:35:21 GMT
The cartoon is the inferior continuity well known for animation errors and glitches.
Only the toys are the true root of all things. And Soundwave is a small micro-cassette player with a belt clip.
The Guardian of Forever has seen it. And spoken.
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Post by Toph on Mar 29, 2018 16:04:37 GMT
It took me like... 20 years to realize Soundwave's cylindrical weapons are batteries. I didn't realize this until sometime in the 2000s. I'd had no clue his back opened.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 29, 2018 17:16:19 GMT
Watching 'More than Meets the Eye' part 2 right now. Soundwave easily fits into Spike's hand. He's a Walkman, Doc', he's a Walkman. Thus belt clippable.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 17:20:55 GMT
Show me in what way Soundwave looks like a Walkman! That's like saying a snail is like a rock because both have the potential to fly.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 29, 2018 17:33:12 GMT
Well, he's a Walkman 'cos he's the same size as a Walkman, and looks like a Walkman. He doesn't have big speakers either side of him. He's all square-like.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 29, 2018 17:33:54 GMT
And he has a belt clip like a Walkman...
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 29, 2018 18:54:57 GMT
I would never question a member of the emergency services.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 21:14:22 GMT
Well, he's a Walkman 'cos he's the same size as a Walkman, and looks like a Walkman. He doesn't have big speakers either side of him. He's all square-like. Man and child I have never thought he looked anything like a Walkman! A fart looks more like a Walkman!!! For one thing he does not have headphones! Ah ha! Case closed! -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 29, 2018 21:26:42 GMT
Then you haven't. I watched McFeely's THE BASICS: SOUNDWAVE video. No mention of belt clipping and the bits of cartoon featured showed Soundwave as clearly FAR TOO LARGE AND CHUNKY to fit on a belt! Case closed. -Ralph Not mentioned because it's blindingly obvious!  |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 21:35:33 GMT
Look at the size of that thing! Think of the weight! Anyone tries to put that on their belt and it will pull their trousers down!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 29, 2018 21:39:47 GMT
Pish! I had an actual walkman, which was not far off the size of Soundwave and a good deal heavier.
IT CLIPPED ON MY BELT!!!!!
Andy
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Post by legios on Mar 29, 2018 21:48:32 GMT
I had a Walkman knock-off made for Argos by some company or other, it was similarly large and was definitely heavier than Soundwave. Both were quite capable of clipping onto my belt, without pulling my trousers down. In fact, Soundwave pulled at the belt considerably less than the Walkman KO did.
Karl
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 29, 2018 21:50:06 GMT
You forget how big these things actually were in the early 80s. They only went slimline much later on.  |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 30, 2018 5:36:46 GMT
I suppose the fact that Soundwave's guns, when in battery mode, are more or less the size of AA batteries suggests that the toy is actual size.
Martin
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