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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 20:04:08 GMT
Ooh! Glad I did. The Part 1 I watched this afternoon on iPlayer was a bit pants, but Part 2 just now was cool. The writers suddenly remembered it was a time-travel show. Loved the Bill & Ted "Trash can! Remember the trash can!" bit at the end. Martin
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 20:10:40 GMT
Why the bobbins were the aliens not the Vardans?!??!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 20:18:07 GMT
Who are the Vardans?
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 20:19:47 GMT
Who are the Vardans? Martin They are monsters from the classic series who look and act just like the ones in this story
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 20:32:26 GMT
OK.
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 20:37:01 GMT
They were made of tinfoil
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 5, 2020 20:44:06 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 20:47:24 GMT
Chilling, Phil. Chilling.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 20:48:28 GMT
Ah, but tonight it was revealed that everything you know is a lie!
So I now know as much about the history of Doctor Who as you guys... i.e. NOTHING! It's all been... an illusion!
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 20:52:24 GMT
And I've got... LASER SHOES!!!
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 21:32:49 GMT
Another good ep tonight. Feels like all the problems with last series have been addressed. Pacey, funny and clever. The Doctor is being written like the Doctor again. Even the previously crap TARDIS set is vastly improved. The Doctor no longer lives in a tiny shit cupboard.
Fair play to Chibbers. He has course corrected.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 21:36:39 GMT
Ooh! Glad I did. The Part 1 I watched this afternoon on iPlayer was a bit pants, but Part 2 just now was cool. The writers suddenly remembered it was a time-travel show. Loved the Bill & Ted "Trash can! Remember the trash can!" bit at the end. Martin No, Martin, no! Part 1 was fab too!!! -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 21:37:14 GMT
Who are the Vardans? Martin They are monsters from the classic series who look and act just like the ones in this story Martin needs a copy of THE INVASION OF TIME. -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 21:38:03 GMT
Ah, but tonight it was revealed that everything you know is a lie! So I now know as much about the history of Doctor Who as you guys... i.e. NOTHING! It's all been... an illusion! Martin This had better lead to the motherfudging Valeyard! -Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 5, 2020 21:47:14 GMT
No, Martin, no! Part 1 was fab too!!! I thought Lenny Henry was surprisingly good in both parts. Martin
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 21:52:02 GMT
Another good ep tonight. Feels like all the problems with last series have been addressed. Pacey, funny and clever. The Doctor is being written like the Doctor again. Even the previously crap TARDIS set is vastly improved. The Doctor no longer lives in a tiny shit cupboard. Fair play to Chibbers. He has course corrected. -Ralph The way the Doctor wins was spectacularly crap though, and I'm not looking forward to more Gallifrey lore stuff D:
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 5, 2020 22:04:20 GMT
Massive improvement on the first ep. You could be charitable and say it was like an old slow building four parter with layers slowly being peeled back, but you could also argue there was a lot of padding in that first part.
Part two jolly good though. I sighed initially when poor old spoiler was dragged back into the series again, but the explanation at the end made me a bit more open minded. Let's see Chibbers take on it all.
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Post by legios on Jan 5, 2020 22:31:51 GMT
Ah, but tonight it was revealed that everything you know is a lie! So I now know as much about the history of Doctor Who as you guys... i.e. NOTHING! It's all been... an illusion! Martin Well, I'd argue the point on that - we know that the Doctor identifies as coming from the planet Gallifrey, able to regenerate their body and as a Time Lord. Those basic facts of the Doctors identity are sound. There is also evidence to suggest that the Doctor's personal experiences are still reliable (independent corroboration from a second party who also remembers the radio telescope thing happening). It is the deep-lore stuff that is unreliable - who did what to whom at the beginning of the universe with the candlestick in the singularity... So nothing particularly important really. :-) Also, consider the source who told you that things were a lie, and whether there is any particular reason to consider them a particularly reliable source of information. I'd certainly be inclined to get a second opinion if they told me that the sky was blue. (Not that I am particularly worried if this does mean that we are going to get a new set of deep-lore that contradicts everything we know... Firstly, as a Doctor Who and Star Trek viewer/reader I am well-versed in dealing with multiple contradictory sets of facts in relation to a franchise. Heck, the Daleks have had two mutually exclusive origins in different media for as long as I've been watching the show! And what organisation does Captain Kirk work for in the first year of Star Trek - the answer literally varies depending on what episode you are watching. Secondly, I take a very idiosyncratic and Lawrence Miles-influenced view of Doctor Who continuity. I'm pretty sure it is a set of nested Klein Bottles - and I'm not entirely sure that the TV series even takes place in the same Bottle that it started out in... :-) ) I did enjoy this two=-pargter was breezy, pacy and a lot of fun (and I do like this version of the Master - he has a lot of the camp style of the early Simm version, but turned down from the latter's rather unbearable 11 to a more reasonable volume) - a classic Master caper, defeated by the Doctor doing something terribly clever and a little bit cheeky. It felt like everybody got something to do, there was enough plot to sustain both episodes and it mixed some nice atmospheric scares with some fun pastiche. It doesn't so much feel like they've changed fundamentally what they are doing, it just feels like something has clicked and it is being executed better. I will say that it feels rather a shame that Ada Byron, and Noor Inayat Khan were both in this story though. Not because they didn't do stuff, but because I worry it precludes them going back and doing them more justice. I mean, either of those folk could easily sustain being the main guest character of a full episode and I feel a bit sad that they are basically only afforded "reinforced cameos" instead. But nevertheless - that was great stuff. If they can keep hitting these marks for the rest of the season it should be an absolute cracker. Karl
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Post by legios on Jan 5, 2020 22:35:30 GMT
Aliens who were able to turn themselves into "energy" and travel along broadcast waves - allowing them to invade planets by travelling back along their radio signals,tv transmissions, Space TV or whatever. They came from the same universe as the planets that they were invading though, which is a noteable difference - and also didn't appear to be wearing homburgs, or whatever natty hats this lot are wearing behind that glow. Karl
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Post by legios on Jan 5, 2020 22:43:49 GMT
Massive improvement on the first ep. You could be charitable and say it was like an old slow building four parter with layers slowly being peeled back, but you could also argue there was a lot of padding in that first part. I actually enjoyed the first part a bit more than the second to be honest. I thought that the super-spy pastiche stuff was a lot of fun - less Mission:Impossible, more Mission:Implausible and highly entertaining, I always love a bit of good-natured fun poked at the genre - and I thought that the outback stuff was actually quite atmospheric. I will admit that the "oh *%^& I forgot about that" gag at the end of the second episode was perhaps the single greatest thing in the story - funny, but utterly in character for Whittakers Doctor. Which made it work so well. I think that this could be quite fun - it puts us on an even-footing with the regulars in the show, they don't know anything we don't know about certain things, and thus there is a sense of mystery again. I am reminded me of the alleged Cartmel-Masterplan actually. That boiled down, in essence, to an index card saying that "questions are more interesting that answers - too many answers, need to get new questions", and I think it is something similar that they are doing here. Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 22:44:49 GMT
No, Martin, no! Part 1 was fab too!!! I thought Lenny Henry was surprisingly good in both parts. Martin I've heard him in radio drama though this is the first time I have seen him on screen in a dramatic role and I thought he was fabulous. -Ralph
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Post by legios on Jan 5, 2020 22:47:46 GMT
Yep, I'd agree - Lenny Henry was absolutely brilliant. His speech in the second episode is absolutely wonderful - a monologue that goes from "tech-bro" to "horrific monster" seamlessly. Fantastic stuff.
Karl
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 5, 2020 22:53:26 GMT
Enjoyed both episodes, and agree Chibnall has learned the lessons from last series.
As for the big mystery, I like it. A series about Time Travel should have the ability to just rewrite the past history as and when suits, it's one of the concepts that Lawrence Miles touched on in his BBC Eighth Doctor books and something that the new series has had ample opportunity to do with having a Time War as a backdrop and failed drastically. Sacha Dhawan is fantastic as The Master. I'll assume we get to see him again by the end of the series.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 22:53:55 GMT
Why the bobbins were the aliens not the Vardans?!??! Not really in any way similar though other than a similarity in how they manifest. I would argue the Vardans have been done better in novels and audios than in THE INVASION OF TIME though (as much as I enjoy it). -Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jan 5, 2020 23:24:51 GMT
Enjoyed both episodes, and agree Chibnall has learned the lessons from last series. As for the big mystery, I like it. A series about Time Travel should have the ability to just rewrite the past history as and when suits, it's one of the concepts that Lawrence Miles touched on in his BBC Eighth Doctor books and something that the new series has had ample opportunity to do with having a Time War as a backdrop and failed drastically. Sacha Dhawan is fantastic as The Master. I'll assume we get to see him again by the end of the series. Andy No Andy no This is Moffat level navel gazing. I hate it when the show is all about mysteries about the doctor and gallifrey
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2020 23:52:46 GMT
I will take a Gallifry mystery over what really was dull surprise navel gazing in the previous pretty dire series. This series is so much better so far it feels like different people are making it.
Generally, when DW strips away everything that people like it becomes boring. Remember when BBC Books erased the 8th Doctor's memory and he lost his TARDIS. The range went in the toilet!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 6, 2020 3:18:10 GMT
The marooned on Earth for 100 years story? My favourite books in the EDA series
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 6, 2020 10:14:21 GMT
No, Phil, no! It was a low blow.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 6, 2020 19:23:03 GMT
Enjoyed both episodes, and agree Chibnall has learned the lessons from last series. As for the big mystery, I like it. A series about Time Travel should have the ability to just rewrite the past history as and when suits, it's one of the concepts that Lawrence Miles touched on in his BBC Eighth Doctor books and something that the new series has had ample opportunity to do with having a Time War as a backdrop and failed drastically. Sacha Dhawan is fantastic as The Master. I'll assume we get to see him again by the end of the series. Andy No Andy no This is Moffat level navel gazing. I hate it when the show is all about mysteries about the doctor and gallifrey This does nothing to draw me back And was the reason behind my viewing lack.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 6, 2020 22:08:05 GMT
Enjoyed both episodes, and agree Chibnall has learned the lessons from last series. As for the big mystery, I like it. A series about Time Travel should have the ability to just rewrite the past history as and when suits, it's one of the concepts that Lawrence Miles touched on in his BBC Eighth Doctor books and something that the new series has had ample opportunity to do with having a Time War as a backdrop and failed drastically. Sacha Dhawan is fantastic as The Master. I'll assume we get to see him again by the end of the series. Andy No Andy no This is Moffat level navel gazing. I hate it when the show is all about mysteries about the doctor and gallifrey I await with much zeal, their inevitable reveal of the backstory of the disaster, unleashed on the Time Lords by the Master, The Doctor being a bit unknown and mysterious, Is good for the show and keeps viewers curious, Familiarity breeds contempt, Which a new mystery will prevent.
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