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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 18:04:59 GMT
I don't need sleep.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 18:05:20 GMT
Thats a lie!
I do need sleep.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 21, 2020 18:25:48 GMT
About 44 hours I think. I might be down to about 40-42 hours now. ..... that may not be enough time...... Should I delay Picard till saturday?........ I could save some more time by only watching the flashbacks of the 2009 movie. YOU CANNOT DELAY. -Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 21, 2020 18:36:50 GMT
DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 21, 2020 18:39:44 GMT
ANSWER ME NOW!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 18:45:02 GMT
I can not delay.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 19:05:22 GMT
I hope so, I remember it seeming to be used forever. Actually the first use isnt as terrible as I remember. And at least they got all the way to season 6 before the first doomed (ish) love episode for Janeway. The mechanics of the holodeck and the replicators makes no sense to me. How are the replicators are rationed, but the holodecks are in almost permenant use? Also at one point a while back Janeway insisted Chakotay recycle a replicated gift to "save" energy. Hot would that save energy? I just dont get it. Photon Torpedos. They start out with 30 something of them and are very careful to ration them (though they seem to abandoon that point somewhere after Seven joins). So does that means they cant replicate them or make new ones? But at the same time they must have lost at least 2 shuttles a season and yet are fully stocked at the start of season 6. Im surprised they didn't start firing shuttlecraft at enemy ships. Its shame they didn't have Rom onboard, then they could have had self replicating torpedos. Oh and I forgot Troi appeared. Counting Picard that means shes been in 4 shows, putting her near the top of the cameo charts. Go Troi! Also. Whats the point of sending the Delta Flier (or other shuttle) off to run scans while Voyager continues on its way back to the Federation. Sooner or later the Delta Flier has to get back to Voyager meaning it would have been just as quick for Voyager to have done it. Grr. I mean sure if they are already on their way to a specific place or activity that allows for the shuttle to catch up, but when they are just travelling it makes no sense other than as a plot device.
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Post by Toph on Jan 21, 2020 19:42:12 GMT
If they had really held true to the conservation of energy principals that they like to throw around, then that's a great built in explanation. They want to explore this or that? It takes significantly less fuel to send a shuttle out while Voyager keeps course at a slower pace (so it can catch up), or just stops for a rest altogether, than it does to divert Voyager itself to go.
The shuttles could have been an interesting way to show how energy is a luxury they conserve (even in times when they have an excess), but also that they're still performing their duties as explorers.
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Post by Toph on Jan 21, 2020 19:52:54 GMT
Okay, I don't like it so it's not a headcanon. But here's a speculation on why they just leave the holodecks on when they ration replicators.
As we've seen, the holodeck programs remain even when the holodeck loses power. So the "sets" and items in it are actual physical things that once created, do not require any energy to maintain. With that mindset, it's actually cheaper power-wise to create a simple program like the pool hall or Di Vinci's studio, and leave it on and share it, than it does to end and recreate it every time. Even if it is drawing power, it's less power than turning it on.
Though that reasoning works for the poolhall and di Vinci. Sorta works for the resort, if said resort was an aesthetics thing instead of fully functional. But it doesn't work for a full MMORPG like Fairhaven.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 20:57:09 GMT
I dont buy the holodeck theory. They are replicating "sets", but rationing food replication. Nah! I mean it almost makes sense maybe for the pool hall which might, might have fitted in a holodeck without any of the gravity plating space shifting vague explanation. All the other programs shown or mentione would have required constantly adjusting projections to fit.
Still at least someone tried addressing it.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 21, 2020 21:02:41 GMT
I'd completely forgotten about the borg kids. Right up until the last 5 minutes of the episode they first appear in I still hadnt remembered what happened to them. In fact I still dont remember what if anything happens to any of them.
I enjoyed Good Sheppard, lower decks style stories really work for Voyager. The lack of room for promotion or career change or people who just dont like being there but cant leave was full of potential.
But Im guessing this group will just join the troublesome Marquis and the survivors from Equinox.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 22, 2020 8:01:01 GMT
I was wrong Crewman Celes is back, but apparently its her last appearance. Shame, a properly normal not quite good enough character in Trek is rare.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 22, 2020 8:04:58 GMT
And they just flat out ignore the mom so badly that it's a common fan beliefe that she was killed off, while Neelix and Seven raise Naomi. Damn you werent kidding. I didn't think she died, but I can see why so many did. They barely acknowedged that she survived the shuttlecraft accident. Im honestly not sure if she appeared in a present day episode after that and her final episode is in Fury and her scenes are all set in season 1 when Kes travels back in time. This show did not want to deal with reoccurring characters.
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Post by Toph on Jan 22, 2020 8:50:56 GMT
Her name is Nancy Hower, and she appeared in 7 episodes. Ten less than the girl who played her daughter, and one less than the sex-crazed vulcan.
Her last appearance was indeed "Fury," in flashbacks. While her last normal appearance was the shuttle crash.
I mean, they may as well have killed her off.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2020 18:20:58 GMT
i cannae go any faster!
Still 20 odd episodes and a movie or two to go.
Khhhaaaaaannnnnnnn!
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2020 18:23:59 GMT
Star Trek fans after 4 and a half seasons of Voyager: Please no more holodeck episodes Deep Space Nine: Hold my Beer.
I love Vic Fontane. He should have been one of the monthly transmissions to Voyager. Would have solved all their problems.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2020 18:25:29 GMT
I have clearly known Phil for too long.
I have a mad theory. Paris and Kim got their plots swapped.
Its true. It makes so much sense.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 23, 2020 18:32:41 GMT
Star Trek fans after 4 and a half seasons of Voyager: Please no more holodeck episodes Deep Space Nine: Hold my Beer. I love Vic Fontane. He should have been one of the monthly transmissions to Voyager. Would have solved all their problems. Vic Fontaine was shit and dragged the show down. Felt too forced and seemed like the execs liked him rather that it coming organically from the characters. I never believed for a minute that the crew would all love him so much. -Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2020 19:04:34 GMT
But he sings.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2020 19:08:07 GMT
I also watched Insurrection. I dont know if Ive seen it since cinema and my over riding memory was feeling disappointed that it felt too much like just another episode.
But now that no longer seems like a criticism. Its an enjoyable big budget 3 part TNG that fits quite comfortably alongside the contemporary DS9 epiodes.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 23, 2020 20:01:36 GMT
Star Trek fans after 4 and a half seasons of Voyager: Please no more holodeck episodes Deep Space Nine: Hold my Beer. I love Vic Fontane. He should have been one of the monthly transmissions to Voyager. Would have solved all their problems. Vic Fontaine was shit and dragged the show down. Felt too forced and seemed like the execs liked him rather that it coming organically from the characters. I never believed for a minute that the crew would all love him so much. -Ralph Hey, Pally. Why so blue?
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Post by Toph on Jan 24, 2020 0:27:42 GMT
I do not like Vic Fontain.
But in fairness, I really, really don't like the 50s/60s Vegas Ratpack thing. While I don't hate the real people like I do characters and aesthetics based on them, I'm not terribly fond of Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Sammy Davis Jr. I recognize their talents, and even enjoy some of their stuff divorced from them ("fly me to the moon" is one of my favorite songs, but not when Sinatra sings it), but I'm just not into it.
But things like Vic Fontain, that try to be this? I would rather sit through the worst Voyager stuff than a well written Vic Fontain episode.
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Post by Toph on Jan 24, 2020 0:50:32 GMT
Except the Nog episode. But that's a testament to Aron Eisenberg, as the Ratpack elements drag it down for me.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 24, 2020 7:41:30 GMT
Vic Fontaine is why TNG and Voyager are better than DS9. He is a show killer.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2020 9:05:17 GMT
Much as I love DS9, Fontaine is mostly a bit cringeworthy.
Given the themes of the show, going a little bit further back and having a Casablanca-style holodeck thing going on would have made more sense to me.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 24, 2020 14:17:30 GMT
Honestly he could and probably shoud have annoyed me, but thanks I believe to James darrens performance he doesnt. It helps that they made him self aware, eliminating all the tedious confusion and misunderstanding that far too many holodeck stories wind up doing.
Also the way hes used is generally pretty good. His major appearances are pretty important. Its Only a Paper Moon is one of the shows best and needed an outsider character to work. His introduction finally progresses Kira and Odos story.
Other than those 2 which serves a major purpose his only big role is Badda Bing, Badda Bang, alright its a dumb holodeck episode, but along with the baseball one serves as a distraction from war.
Of the remaining episodes (that Ive rewatched) one winds up being a set up for Paper Moon (and is incredibly brief) so no complaints. The remaining 2 are also very short and from memory so is his last one.
As for the crews love of Vic. Everyone loves Nog, Vic helps Nog, everyone love Vic. Odo and Kira have their own reasons.
Vic Rules!
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 24, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
Much as I love DS9, Fontaine is mostly a bit cringeworthy. Given the themes of the show, going a little bit further back and having a Casablanca-style holodeck thing going on would have made more sense to me. Dax has just died, they are in the middle of a war they might lose. Vics some escapist fun for them. I dont think a Casablanca setting would have worked right there. But now that you mention it I am surprised that setting wasnt used by one of the shows.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 24, 2020 14:25:24 GMT
Theres less than a dozen episodes left, why are Voyager still trying to make Tuvok and Neelix and thing?
How are Naomi and Seven the most convincing friendship the show managed?
I kind of want Naomi to show up in Picard.
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Post by Toph on Jan 24, 2020 14:33:28 GMT
Much as I love DS9, Fontaine is mostly a bit cringeworthy. Given the themes of the show, going a little bit further back and having a Casablanca-style holodeck thing going on would have made more sense to me. Dax has just died, they are in the middle of a war they might lose. Vics some escapist fun for them. I dont think a Casablanca setting would have worked right there. But now that you mention it I am surprised that setting wasnt used by one of the shows. Given Paris' love of 20th Century pop, it is kinda surprising that they went with Fairhaven over Casablanca as the public holoprogram of the season.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 24, 2020 14:56:37 GMT
Vic Fontaine is why TNG and Voyager are better than DS9. He is a show killer. -Ralph Voyager better than DS9? Who are you??
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