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Post by primenova on Dec 2, 2009 12:45:34 GMT
The people at the newsagent dont like all the free gifts on the cover because it limits the shelf space you have [but anyway thanks to Paul Neary back in 1991 we no longer have 30 new Marvel UK comics each week - but the Panini staff have done a good job to struggle back to manage to have about 10 UK format comics out monthly then the US style CE comics]
They can only really fit about 5 copies out compared to 30. But the people buying in the stock & deciding which title to carry say we dont want to carry your comic in our shops unless you have free gifts on them. It's these that Titan, Panini listen to not the people that buy the comics. Panini used to advertise WHSmith on the CE's when they never had the CE's in stock - but over the last 3 yrs WHSmith have finally managed to decide to have the CE in stock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 13:08:32 GMT
This morning the first comic I picked up's internal pages were in upsidedown, I went for the one behind it instead lol
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 2, 2009 14:31:30 GMT
Is the comic still going then? My Diamond rep led me to believe it had been cancelled after issue 4, now I'm thinking it may just have been dropped by Diamond, not the same thing. Yeah, dropped by Diamond. They can only really fit about 5 copies out compared to 30. But the people buying in the stock & deciding which title to carry say we dont want to carry your comic in our shops unless you have free gifts on them. It's these that Titan, Panini listen to not the people that buy the comics. From the point of view of Titan and Panini, the retail stock buyers are the ones that buy their comics - if they demand free gifts, you're stuck coming up with free gifts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 10:36:13 GMT
That's the problem with British comics these days - the publishers just dumb down the comics so that they only appeal to young kids. It never used to be like that as I've got a few copies of this Disney comic released in 1990 called Disney Weekly that I brought as soon as they were released and these never had any free gifts stuck to the front.
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Post by legios on Dec 3, 2009 13:03:31 GMT
The general view of the magazine industry in general, which filters down to the kids comics ghetto, is that it is the cover mount that sells your product - the actual contents of the magazine is functionally irrelevant, you make it as good as you can but it is in the end just "the stuff attached to the covermount". From a production stand-point they would likely get rid of all the content before they got rid of the covermount.
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Post by primenova on Dec 3, 2009 13:20:32 GMT
How would you come up with a way of showing them that we dont wnat cover mounts? If you dont buy the comic - they just go put more cover mounts on.
The only good cover mount so far on TFUK as been sweets.
I'd love to be sticking the sweets on the mag's - after i'd eaten 5 boxes of them. We need more boxes of sweets, we keep running out.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 3, 2009 17:23:58 GMT
The general view of the magazine industry in general, which filters down to the kids comics ghetto, is that it is the cover mount that sells your product That's a worrying thought - they think kids will pay £2.70 for a "pencil pod" whatever comes with it. It'd make sense if the free gifts were fancier, but they're usually very cheap, it can't be them on their own that sells the things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 18:07:40 GMT
Technically it isn't the free gifts that sells them because the kids can buy stuff like pencil pods for cheaper than a price of a comic but (and this is where I contradict myself) it is the free gifts that sell the comic because when you are a certain age anything with a free gift attached to it buys the kiddies over.
When we were kids did we not want a certain brand of breakfast cereal because of the free gift inside? I certainly did I spent many a time in my young life eating breakfast cereals that I hated just because I wanted to collect all of the free gifts!
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Post by grahamthomson on Dec 4, 2009 12:22:50 GMT
Well the die-cut cover was a nice idea in theory, but it got ruined even before I got the magazine home!
The next issue blurb seems to be hinting that next issue is going to be the last. Is it?
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2009 12:32:52 GMT
It's probably just because it's the conclusion of the Skids/Mudflap story but... yeah it kind of does.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 4, 2009 12:40:09 GMT
The next issue blurb seems to be hinting that next issue is going to be the last. Is it? I thought they just mean the Skids/Mudflap story. Now I'm worried...! I've asked on Furman's blog to see if there will be a Starscream's Stars #9.
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Post by primenova on Dec 4, 2009 12:58:28 GMT
It's the end of the twins story. We might even see them taken out - but expect that we'll have them for the next story arc but more in the back ground with the Fallen showing up.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 4, 2009 14:56:56 GMT
Furman confirms on his blog that it's just the end of the twins story - he's written up to issue 11.
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Post by grahamthomson on Dec 4, 2009 15:04:13 GMT
That is good news. I've actually been quite enjoying the Twins' current storyline and happy to keep getting Titan's 'zine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 16:06:09 GMT
That is good news. I've actually been quite enjoying the Twins' current storyline and happy to keep getting Titan's 'zine. question is though what's next? another prequal? a sequal? a paralel universe? a "this is what I did while you did that thing during the movie" story?
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 4, 2009 16:28:06 GMT
That is good news. I've actually been quite enjoying the Twins' current storyline and happy to keep getting Titan's 'zine. I quite like that Mudflap didn't know the defection was an act, but was still happy to do it. That's worrying...!
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Post by grahamthomson on Dec 5, 2009 11:01:15 GMT
a "this is what I did while you did that thing during the movie" story? Alert the usher?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 16:49:28 GMT
a "this is what I did while you did that thing during the movie" story? Alert the usher? *wags finger* Naughty Mind
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 23, 2009 14:42:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 16:01:15 GMT
Well Furman's already written up to number 11 apparantly, which includes Springer Then again, that might be Springer from War for Cybertron, so maybe very possibly??
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 23, 2009 16:23:48 GMT
Yeah, but the game wouldn't be out until #13 or #14, I guess.
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Post by primenova on Dec 31, 2009 14:42:54 GMT
#8 - 11 pages of UK story. AHM - 24 pages - so that's all of #6 then is it 2 pages from #12 - seeing it seems we are not being forced to see #7-12 printed in the comic. The contents page says it is the end of both stories. #9 - should be 64 pages every issue £2.99 ?? maybe start from the start of IDW - so #0 all 16 pages. or do half of ongoing #1.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 31, 2009 15:02:36 GMT
#8 - 11 pages of UK story. AHM - 24 pages - so that's all of #6 then is it 2 pages from #12 - seeing it seems we are not being forced to see #7-12 printed in the comic. The contents page says it is the end of both stories. Haha what?! That can't be right!
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Dec 31, 2009 15:04:21 GMT
AHM - 24 pages - so that's all of #6 then is it 2 pages from #12 - seeing it seems we are not being forced to see #7-12 printed in the comic. The contents page says it is the end of both stories. YAYYYYYYYYYYYY! (Wait, so they reprinted only half of AHM, including the most decompressed part? What?!)
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Post by primenova on Dec 31, 2009 15:18:20 GMT
it starts with Kup/Jazz/Prowl for 2 pages - then Megatron 2 pages. bot 3 pages, megatron splash page [3 pages] bots - 1 page recap - 9 pages page starting with ratchet & ending sideswipe [page 22] then one page of just head shot of sideswipe? body is white. the torso if black on him not white so is that a falshback? page 56/57 splash page optimus prime.
The end of the beginning
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Post by blueshift on Dec 31, 2009 15:24:29 GMT
That sounds like the splash from 9 maybe?
If someone has actual issue numbers and refs that would be fascinating. Maybe they are reprinting the rest as another 'story arc'?
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 31, 2009 15:37:32 GMT
Great will have to track down issues 2-7 and enjoy.
Or not.
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Post by primenova on Dec 31, 2009 17:13:24 GMT
i've just read it & trying to tie it into the review on tfarchive.com/comics/idw/guide.php?s=allhailmegatron#6 - 10 pages Kup/Jazz/Prowl for 2 pages - then Megatron 2 pages. bot 3 pages, megatron splash page [3 pages] ending with Blitzwing talk - maybe printed in wrong order. bits missing - This seems to be born out in Beijing, where an argument erupts between Skywarp and Bombshell that nearly turns into a full fight between the Insecticons and the Seekers. Even after the Insecticons have been driven off, Skywarp and Thundercracker argue over the latter’s lack of interest in carnage. Outside their base, Ironhide is about to broach the idea of dealing with Mirage to Roadbuster when they are disturbed by a member of the Swarm – part of a vast army of Insecticon clones that had been dumped on Cybertron as a failed experiment that only produced three useful Transformers. Perceptor and Drift take care of it before it can bring others, but Kup decides they’re too exposed and prepares everyone to move. In France, a meeting of representatives of the major world governments leads to the decision to destroy New York. #7 page 38 10 pages bots - 1 page recap - 9 pages missing - Synopsis: Before: On Cybertron, scientist Deluge has created the Swarm, nearly three thousand twisted deformed Decepticons, in the hope of producing the perfect breeding ground for evil genius. Though Thundercracker is unhappy at the treatment of fellow Decepticons it has produced one notable success, in Bombshell. Megatron takes the new Transformer to meet someone… Kup interrupts the story to order a brief rest, allowing Sideswipe to get Sunstreaker alone. He tries to persuade his teammate that he and Ironhide need to leave Mirage alone as it’s ripping the team apart. He then tries to talk to him about his terrible experience as a Headmaster, but Sunstreaker just brushes him off. As this conversation continues, Sunstreaker angrily tells Ironhide how Sideswipe has told them to back off. This so outrages the security chief that he goes off to where Mirage is standing alone and starts arguing with him. Though Mirage protests he’d reported the information in good faith, Ironhide refuses to believe him and beats him to the ground… #9 - Sunstreaker killed. stated by Sideswipe who somehow has been repaired. page starting with ratchet & ending sideswipe [page 22] then one page of just head shot of sideswipe? body is white. the torso if black on him not white so is that a falshback? page 56/57 splash page optimus prime. missed - all #8 #9 Synopsis: In New York, Bridge and Sarah are clandestinely rummaging through a department store for supplies when they come upon Spike hunting down new clothes. Taking him back to their base he explains his secret mission and they offer to help, with Bridge insisting Sarah take proper command of the survivors. A man named Charles also wants in as the area where the secret weapon is kept is frequently patrolled by Rumble who he has issues with. As a bonus, Charles is also an ex-military cop who knows where to get lots of guns. On Cybertron, the Autobots have used the CR chambers on the Trion to restore everyone to full health and began to make defences against the Swarm. Ironhide attempts to apologise to Mirage but gets rebutted. Ratchet tells Kup they’re physically fine though morale is still too low and they need Prime back to fix it, but informs him that Optimus isn’t going to get better any time soon. Back on Earth, Spike retrieves the weapon, adapted from Shockwave’s gun, but as he and the others leave the building it was hidden in Rumble attacks. Spike fights back with a motorbike and Charles shots the cassettebot in the face. As Soundwave arrives and mourns the fall of his comrade with a sonic cry, the radio blackout in the area caused by Rumble had ended and all the phones start working allowing Spike to send a message out of the city. In New York, a shocked Spike reveals what his father told him via phone, that regardless of the success of his mission the rest of the world is still going to bomb New York…
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Post by primenova on Dec 31, 2009 17:23:36 GMT
from the end of where they leave ahm from#9 - they could go straight into the start of IDW#0 with it seeming like it could follow on. With Prime being off world & Megatron & co being on Earth.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 31, 2009 17:56:06 GMT
This inspired me to go pick up a copy. Wow Titan. Just /wow/ EDIT: Okay, done a proper comparison Page 1-2 (AHM 6 p 1-2)Kup and Jazz have a chinwag Page 3-4 (AHM 6 p 3-4)Starscream and Megatron have a chinwag (We now miss out the fight between Skywarp and Bombshell)page 5-7 (AHM 6 p10-12)Kup and Jazz continue to chinwag (We miss the conversation between Ironhide and Roadbuster, the sighting of the Swarm and Perceptor being scary)Page 8-10 (AHM 6 p18-20)Megatron and Starscream keep arguing (We miss the decision to bomb New York and the insecticon creation flashback)Page 11-17 (AHM 7 p5-11)Jazz's flashback up until the splash of Megatron taking the Matrix from Prime (We miss Sideswipe talking to Sunstreaker)Page 18-20 (AHM 7 p15-17)Jazz continues his flashback telling of how Prime sacrificed himself to save everyone else. (We miss Ironhide fighting Mirage. We then miss ALL of issue 8, including Sunstreaker's death! From issue 9 we then miss the humans on Earth chatting to Spike)Page 21 (AHM 9 p9 (panels 4&7) p15 (panel 2) p 16 (panels 4-6)In an astonishingly bad piece of editing, Titan have MERGED some of AHMs pages, so that Ratchet enters, tells everyone Prime is about to die, Sideswipe gets angry (with changed dialogue, so that references to Sunstreaker are changed to Prime). Sideswipe now seems to be angry that Prime is definately dead, and makes it sound like Prime committed suicide due to the baffling name changes. Terrible photo of the terrible new page (I couldn't get it without the lens flare, sorry)page 22-24 (AHM 9 19-21)Sideswipe's page of monologuing. Hilariously he talks about Sunstreaker's death here, so we have to assume he died off-panel somewhere. And then the double-page splash of Optimus Prime returning. Ratchet's diagnosis 2 pages prior seemed a bit pessimistic then. Then it says THE END! Oh dear. Oh dear. Titan. What are you playing at? I can kinda see that they might have wanted to rush through the story, or perhaps relaunch the second half as a 'new' story, but then a little box tells us that if we want to read the rest, we need to go to Forbidden Planet and buy the trades. I used to like Titan as a company, but this is a flabbergastingly bad piece of hack work. The WORST part is, that the Transformers mag, as one sold in supermarkets and newsagents, gets a ridiculously high distribution rate, in the tens of thousands. This is going to be how most people will read this tale! But hey, free disk launcher!
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