|
|
Post by Shockprowl on Feb 16, 2011 20:50:33 GMT
The upcoming Classics (or whatever this partic version is called) Sergeant Kup figeroon has got me thinking of ranking systems again. I thought I'd had it all worked out. But, them saying Kup's a 'Sergeant', inferring there's officers and enlisted within the two Transformers armies (or at least the Autobot army), got me thinking. Kup's character (Kup is an old fave of mine- Ha! 'Old' fave, getit?!), suites being a Sergenty/Gets stuff done/go to for help kinda 'bot. I wasn't happy with his portrail as a Big Leader type in IDW. If Kup is a 'Sergeant', what would his rank be on a techspec, and how does this effect other TFs ranks? Whom are enlisted and whom are officers? Why is my beer glass empty? Discuss.
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 16, 2011 20:57:37 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 16, 2011 21:38:49 GMT
Did this one skip the UK? I've never seen it.
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 16, 2011 22:26:42 GMT
Kup & Scourge? Yup. Not out here sadly :-(
|
|
|
|
Post by mabus1984 on Feb 16, 2011 23:14:04 GMT
I'd wonder whether the tech specs have any correllation to rank at all - you could be intelligence, strong or anything else etc. and not be an officer of any type.
|
|
|
|
Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 16, 2011 23:40:53 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 17, 2011 8:00:42 GMT
1987's Targetmaster Kup was rank 5, while 1986's original animated-Movie Kup was rank 8 on his tech-specs, which tells me that for Marvel comics purposes that he only had the rank of a normal Sideswipe/Sunstreaker-type warrior under Fortress Maximus in the present day, but he then worked his way up the system until his best pal became Prime in the Movie, at which point he was a member of the High Command. Attempts to make sense of the tech-specs ranks can be found here and here. (The notes attempt to rationalise certain contradictions, such as Landmine being introduced in the comic as "Pretender Group Leader", Windcharger being team leader in 'Dinobot Hunt', etc. Ranks are assigned at whim to non-toy characters appearing in the Marvel comics.) Martin |
|
|
|
Post by grahamthomson on Feb 17, 2011 9:14:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure Drift has a rank of '11' thus outranking every other Transformer ever!
|
|
|
|
Post by Shockprowl on Feb 17, 2011 10:15:26 GMT
Kup & Scourge? Yup. Not out here sadly :-( Prob why I thought they were 'up-comming'. Damn them. |
|
|
|
Post by Shockprowl on Feb 17, 2011 10:56:01 GMT
Attempts to make sense of the tech-specs ranks can be found here and here. (The notes attempt to rationalise certain contradictions, such as Landmine being introduced in the comic as "Pretender Group Leader", Windcharger being team leader in 'Dinobot Hunt', etc. Ranks are assigned at whim to non-toy characters appearing in the Marvel comics.) Martin Yeah, I realy like these, read them the last time we had a discussion on ranks. Very well done, make alot of sense. |
|
|
|
Post by legios on Feb 17, 2011 12:54:03 GMT
Worth taking into account the fact that we seem to have evidence of a Commissioned/Non-Commissioned divide in the Autobot army - so the Rank characteristic may only represent the characters standing within the given track. So in theory a Rank 8 Chief Master Seargent might be Rank 8 or 9 on the Non-commissioned/enlisted track, but outranked by a newly created Lieutenant of Rank 4 or 5. Woe betide the newly-made Lieutenant who fails to realise the vast experience said Rank 8 non-com must have accumulated to reach that rank mind you. With that in mind by 2005-6 Kup might be filling a position similar to the Seargent Major of the Marine Corps ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Major_of_the_Marine_Corps ) This may be another way of looking at the ranks of various Team Leaders and whatnot, depending on how similar we think Autobot military organisation might be to the various human models. Karl |
|
|
|
Post by mabus1984 on Feb 17, 2011 23:44:34 GMT
I think they just handed out ranks without any real regard to anything, just to give some a superior position of sorts other than "gunner" or "warrior" etc. that many Transformers have as a description of what their role is.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 18, 2011 22:33:19 GMT
The only true rank is the Rank Film gong.
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Shockprowl on Feb 19, 2011 20:44:59 GMT
Yeah, baby.
|
|
