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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2012 10:14:34 GMT
Ultra Magnus would disagree! I don't see how? I already mentioned Ultra Magnus as being the only repaintable character from Optimus. He was a repaint of Optimus from the very start. Nothing unique about it. Ultra Magnus was not a repaint of Optimus. That is the lazy Dreamwave take. Ultra Magnus is a repaint of Powered Convoy. The combining trailer that assembles with the white cab to become a robot is Ultra Magnus. Not the cab on it's own. Which I think was Matt's point. They just painted MP 1 white and called him Ultra Magnus, but it flat out isn't. It's just a white Prime, I think they will do a Sunstreaker out of MP-12 at some point. Andy |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2012 10:20:51 GMT
Do you not think that there's a white Primelike robot inside Ultra Magnus then?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2012 10:49:48 GMT
No I don't.
Think that was just lazy fanboy pandering from Dreamwave.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2012 11:19:00 GMT
we will agree to differ on this matter then.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 17, 2012 11:34:46 GMT
The thing that annoys me with the whole 'Ultra Magnus/white Prime' thing is that is is a lazy repaint which never appeared in any fiction apart from Dreamwaves one off (and the first it was ever used in any fiction was Andy Dornans Parrellel Lives story btw).
I've no problems with Magnus having a 'white Prime mode' but this seems to have stopped a very important character getting any proper updates.
It wouldn't suprise me if MP Sideswipe does become a Sunstreaker but I still wouldn't like it.
Actually, if you think about the original mix-up of their tech specs you could argue that Sunstreaker is actually a yellow Sideswipe & vice versa.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2012 11:43:21 GMT
Matt, are you forgetting RID Magnus, Animated Magnus and Armada Overload/Energon Magnus?
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Post by The Huff on Mar 17, 2012 12:07:13 GMT
I did, but I was thinking of Ultra Magnus as in the original.
And Energon was just a repaint.
Titanium was a great attempt actually, but cheap materials.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2012 12:55:40 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 17, 2012 13:17:09 GMT
No I don't. Think that was just lazy fanboy pandering from Dreamwave. Andy The Gestalt are united. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 17, 2012 13:18:22 GMT
Matt, are you forgetting RID Magnus, Animated Magnus and Armada Overload/Energon Magnus? They are entirely different characters so they can look anyway they like. 80's Magnus looked completely different from Prime. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 17, 2012 15:14:02 GMT
White Magnus never bothered me to much possibly because I played with the cab robot as much as the combined with trailer mode.
Magnus kind of claimed the mould too because I got Magnus a few years before I got a Prime so Prime was very much the animation model in my head enforced when I got PMOP. I only realised the two of them shared a mould when I saw the picture of Prime in the Ladybird books.
PMOP and even then PMOP was much more similar to the animation model.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 17, 2012 16:16:33 GMT
I used to use my white cab Magnus toy as Optimus Ghost at first and then the alloy coated Prime from TROOP.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2012 17:53:34 GMT
I used to use my white cab Magnus toy as Optimus Ghost at first and then the alloy coated Prime from TROOP. As did I! Andy |
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2012 19:06:56 GMT
I don't really mind either way, so voted "yes, it's okay".
It sometimes gives us pretty white repaints - I much prefer Alternity Magnus to Alternity Convoy. I'd been hoping for a white repaint of Generations WFC Prime but that looks unlikely.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2012 19:23:14 GMT
Phil so wants a white yeti Ultra Magnus version of Optimus Primal
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 17, 2012 19:56:09 GMT
I voted yes because I dont mind, but often they do seem a bit pointless. Classic and Supercon Magnus are the only two I own I think.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2012 20:58:19 GMT
Um... not sure whether or how to vote, but I think the characters can do anything the toys can do, and if Ultra Magnus lost his trailer or wanted a smaller form, e.g. to do maintenance on the trailer, he could certainly transform his cab into a white robot that looked like Prime. Why deny him that ability?
Anyway, I give you the Transformers Victory pilot from 1989. Check out 04:46. Ultra Magnus?
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Post by legios on Mar 17, 2012 22:15:45 GMT
I would have to vote no here, but on the grounds that I don't think that Ultra Magnus should just be a white repaint of Optimus Prime. They toys didn't start out identical. Whilst they shared one identical component they were otherwise significantly different - Prime had a repair facility/ combat unit as his trailer whilst Ultra Magnus' trailer, at the very least is a GBP-like augmented armour system or - as depicted in all of the the official media prior to the Dreamwave comic is an actual integral part of the humanoid mode.
For me, Ultra Magnus is a cab/trailer combination that forms a single large humanoid form when he transforms, whilst Optimus Prime is a tripartite entity comprised of three independent components which can operate semi-autonomously.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Mar 17, 2012 22:23:37 GMT
You didn't put the correct optuion of "He's both" in, to account for Animated and RiD.
So I vote yes, he is. G1 is blatantly most definately an Optimus repaint with a supermode.
When Optimus Prime took the Powermaster upgrade, he didn't use his standard cab mode, but no one says it doesn't exist, now do they?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2012 22:45:54 GMT
You didn't put the correct optuion of "He's both" in, to account for Animated and RiD. So I vote yes, he is. G1 is blatantly most definately an Optimus repaint with a supermode. When Optimus Prime took the Powermaster upgrade, he didn't use his standard cab mode, but no one says it doesn't exist, now do they? Actually he did in several stories in the Marvel UK comic and he shows it off in the US comics in his debut appearance, The Cosmic Carnival and the first appearance of the Micromasters. Andy |
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Post by Toph on Mar 17, 2012 23:11:26 GMT
And Ultra Magnus has appeared in G1 fiction, sans armor in Dreamwave, and club classics (Which is Marvel based). (as well as a dozen toys)
My point there stands.
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Post by blueshift on Mar 18, 2012 8:35:45 GMT
I enjoy Magnus being a white Prime, but it should be the exception rather than the rule. The first time they did it, it was gloriously goofy and I lapped it up. But after he became the default Prime repaint it got a bit boring. Thankfully Hasbro seem to have stopped doing that.
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Post by Toph on Mar 18, 2012 9:27:49 GMT
I personally prefer Ultra Magnus' white and blue deco on the prime-style body, over the red and blue deco of Optimus Prime himself. Classics Magnus is a much better looking toy than Classics Prime.
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Post by Benn on Mar 18, 2012 9:38:03 GMT
Not if you get the Henkei version of Prime. And Magnus suffers terriblely from yellowing.
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Post by Toph on Mar 18, 2012 9:50:40 GMT
That's your opinion. I don't share it. Henkei Prime is extremely boring to me, and I vaaaastly prefer the Classics Optimus to it. And Magnus leaps and bounds over either.
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 18, 2012 10:05:12 GMT
Not if you get the Henkei version of Prime. And Magnus suffers terriblely from yellowing. I haven't come across that problem yet with any of my magnus' but I have kept them out of direct sunlight. On the whole I think I prefer Magnus over every other version except for Crystal Convoy. Not that I dont want a henkei version too, its the only one I'm missing. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2012 13:30:47 GMT
There's not really a lot to choose between them, but I prefer Henkei for the chrome in vehicle mode - actual logical usage for once!
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Post by Kingoji on Mar 18, 2012 18:59:11 GMT
No. Dear God, no.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 18, 2012 20:24:26 GMT
After reading through the thread, I can't remember how I voted now! I think I voted No, in that I don't think he's just a white Optimus. The character of 'Ultra Magnus' is a white Optimus WITH a trailer, in which he spends most of his time (so should I have voted yes?!?!?). My City Commander, using the white Classics Optimus, is a toy I'm very fond of. I think when I first got him I had a very complex origin of him in my head that he's a clone of Optimus who disguises that fact by wearing armour. He was accidentally cloned by Unicron, when Unicron cloned Megatron to created Galvatron, whom he needed to destroy the Matrix... or something like that!!!
What-ever, I do agree that just a white Optimus called Ultra Magnus isn't the full character and is cheating. Magnus is more than just a white Optimus. That is the official opinion of Shockprowl!
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 18, 2012 20:27:24 GMT
"Is Ultra Magnus a white Optimus Prime"- No, he's the trailer as well.
"Is it Ok to repaint Prime white as Ultra Magnus" - Yes, so long as he has a trailer/armour as well.
I'm tired now.
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