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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 13, 2009 19:55:31 GMT
Right, so, Bluestreak was never blue ('cept in a missprinted catalogue once-upon-a-time). Toy was always silver.
He was blue in the comic and cartoon wasn't he? Or have I gone mad?
Why was he ever called BLUEstreak?
Now, he's SILVERstreak 'cos of copyright or sumat (think I read that on Wiki).
Problem is, I can't help but think of the character as BLUEstreak. SILVERstreak just don't sound right.
My question to you, my dear cyber-chumbs, is should we now just think of him as SILVERstreak? Should we ever have thought of him as BLUEstreak? 'Tis a of cosmic concern, this problem.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 13, 2009 20:03:04 GMT
He's not named after his colour. He's named after the way he talks.
talk a blue streak
(idiomatic) To talk for a long time, at great length, or to the point of tedium
She's normally a quiet person, but she will talk a blue streak about fashion, if you let her.
His first words in Marvel Transformers #1 illustrate this: "Interesting to hear how you got your name, Mirage. Now I got mine, Bluestreak, by being as fast as a blue streak - whatever that is. Some wise guys even said I talk a blue streak - whatever that is. Anyway, here I am."
He also carries an ion disperser rifle, which according to TF #11 shoots "a silvery-blue burst of electricity".
Red Alert isn't called Red Alert for his colour either. He's mostly white - the red one is Sideswipe. But as with Bluestreak, his name describes his personality.
Renaming Bluestreak 'Silverstreak' makes about as much sense as renaming Red Alert 'White Alert'.
Martin
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Post by kayevcee on Mar 13, 2009 22:08:39 GMT
A lot of the original Reds that turn up on eBay could technically be called 'Beige Alert'.
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Post by blueshift on Mar 13, 2009 22:18:36 GMT
Personally I'd think he was meant to be blue but they changed it. Sure it refers to the character as well, but I think it is too huge a cooincidence that the original toy and his boxart was both blue (when they changed the boxart of other guys who were different colours).
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 15, 2009 20:25:13 GMT
To me, it doesn't matter what new toys are called, his _character_ is named Bluestreak... you know, the one from the comics!
A "blue streak" is also something moving very fast, so Bluestreak could have been the original Blurr. I wonder also if a "blue streak" is also an offensive tirade of blue language.
Of course, one wonders if the modern English language meaning of "blue streak" just happens to be the same as several million year old ancient Cybertronian!
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Post by legios on Mar 15, 2009 21:02:07 GMT
Of course, one wonders if the modern English language meaning of "blue streak" just happens to be the same as several million year old ancient Cybertronian! Probably not. I figure that like Jazz it is either a nickname, or a very rough translation picking up on the nearest equivalent concepts/words in American English. (Or maybe they just have semi-random "official english names" - like Li Lianjie is known as Jet Li in english?) For me the defining aspect of Bluestreak has always been his character trait - namely his verbal tic. Given that it doesn't matter to me whether he is silver (like his original toy) or half black and half silver like the Universe toy. As long as a media depiction suggests the same basic personality I can see him as the same being. After all, he is a giant robot - a change of colour scheme is as simple as a quick trip to the detailing workshop. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 15, 2009 21:06:13 GMT
Hmmm. Dunno. I associate colour schemes with character. So if there was a blue coloured version of Bluestreak I, er, wouldn't think it was Bluestreak and would rather it had a different name.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2009 21:38:51 GMT
Of course, one wonders if the modern English language meaning of "blue streak" just happens to be the same as several million year old ancient Cybertronian! Probably not. I figure that like Jazz it is either a nickname, or a very rough translation picking up on the nearest equivalent concepts/words in American English. (Or maybe they just have semi-random "official english names" - like Li Lianjie is known as Jet Li in english?) For me the defining aspect of Bluestreak has always been his character trait - namely his verbal tic. Given that it doesn't matter to me whether he is silver (like his original toy) or half black and half silver like the Universe toy. As long as a media depiction suggests the same basic personality I can see him as the same being. After all, he is a giant robot - a change of colour scheme is as simple as a quick trip to the detailing workshop. Karl The names and personalities and tech specs were all thought up by the Marvel team, who Hasbro hired to make the backstory. Obviously there is no evidence, but I would not be surprised if the diaclone blue version was in the box of toys thrown on their desk and thats where the name came from. Or at least the inspiration for the 'blue' bit. It does seem a hefty coincidence otherwise. |
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Post by legios on Mar 15, 2009 21:45:02 GMT
It is certainly possible. At that stage there might not have been a final decision as to which of the Diaclone colour schemes were going to be used and which weren't.
Karl
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 15, 2009 21:51:57 GMT
Obviously there is no evidence, but I would not be surprised if the diaclone blue version was in the box of toys thrown on their desk and thats where the name came from. Or at least the inspiration for the 'blue' bit. It does seem a hefty coincidence otherwise. I can certainly see that being the case. Perhaps the same is true for Sunstreaker as well? |
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2009 22:04:07 GMT
One theory I have heard is that Sunstreaker / Sideswipe were originally the other way round. Then it makes more sense that Sideswipe explicitly has a rocket pack (which Sunstreakers toy kinda does) and Sunstreaker is the prettiest Autobot (when his toy is really ugly, but Sideswipes is really sleek).
Obviously just conjecture though.
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 15, 2009 22:06:47 GMT
Yeah, I agree with that theory. Just look at how their weapons are described in their tech specs/bios.
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Post by primenova on Mar 16, 2009 7:52:53 GMT
The A-Z profile in the UK he was coloured silver, blue - while he was silver black in cartoons or in WW remake in comics.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2009 10:03:51 GMT
Fascinating stuff! Thanks guys! Thanks to Martin for the definition of 'Talk a Blue Streak', this makes sense.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2009 10:04:48 GMT
The names and personalities and tech specs were all thought up by the Marvel team, who Hasbro hired to make the backstory. Obviously there is no evidence, but I would not be surprised if the diaclone blue version was in the box of toys thrown on their desk and thats where the name came from. Or at least the inspiration for the 'blue' bit. It does seem a hefty coincidence otherwise. This seems very probable to me. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2009 10:05:58 GMT
One theory I have heard is that Sunstreaker / Sideswipe were originally the other way round. Then it makes more sense that Sideswipe explicitly has a rocket pack (which Sunstreakers toy kinda does) and Sunstreaker is the prettiest Autobot (when his toy is really ugly, but Sideswipes is really sleek). Obviously just conjecture though. Yeah, I agree with that theory. Just look at how their weapons are described in their tech specs/bios. Yes! YES! This is very interesting! Esp when you read 'bout the weapons! Deffinately seems like the brothers were swapped round doesn't it?! |
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Post by primenova on Mar 16, 2009 11:18:14 GMT
How come Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen are different cars when they are all the same mode for the toy. We have a lady... something & Datzun.
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 16, 2009 12:02:44 GMT
It just occurred to me:
Blueshift: you had better keep a hold of the copyright to your screen name, otherwise we'll have to start calling you Silvershift.
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Post by legios on Mar 16, 2009 12:44:52 GMT
How come Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen are different cars when they are all the same mode for the toy. We have a lady... something & Datzun. They aren't. The 1984 versions are all the same model of car - the Datsun Fairlady 280 series. The only major differences are that one is a regular street 280Z, one is a police colours version, and one is in rally deco. Karl |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 16, 2009 17:38:04 GMT
It just occurred to me: Blueshift: you had better keep a hold of the copyright to your screen name, otherwise we'll have to start calling you Silvershift. AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! |
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 16, 2009 20:07:34 GMT
Alright, mate, no need for sarcasm.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 16, 2009 20:10:37 GMT
One theory I have heard is that Sunstreaker / Sideswipe were originally the other way round. Then it makes more sense that Sideswipe explicitly has a rocket pack (which Sunstreakers toy kinda does) and Sunstreaker is the prettiest Autobot (when his toy is really ugly, but Sideswipes is really sleek). Obviously just conjecture though. No, it's not a conjecture, it's a known fact or near enough. Bob Budiansky's TF Universe entry for Sunstreaker says: "Sunstreaker is faintly contemptuous of the other sports-car Autobots, particularly his fraternal twin Sideswipe, whose design, he says, is spoiled by the rear-mounted engine in his automobile mode." Case closed. But don't read anything into the fact that Bluestreak is grey and blue in the comics - almost all black objects were rendered as blue in comics back then - Prowl was white and blue, Skywarp was blue and purple, the Dinobots' heads were blue, Superman's hair was blue, etc. Martin |
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Post by primenova on Mar 17, 2009 7:44:05 GMT
I also feel that Skywarp & Thundercracker should have swapped colours to suit names better.
Blue being more like sky & sky being dark when thundering.
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 17, 2009 11:42:16 GMT
I wonder, then, if screaming stars are actually red, white and blue.
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Post by primenova on Mar 17, 2009 13:01:27 GMT
Thundercracker being blue while the dark black/purple is Skywarp - i also since first seeing them thought there names should have been swapped round to match there colours.
Unless they matched the powers - that doesnt match either. Skywarp teleports so you would say "out of the blue" - but he isnt.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2010 9:22:34 GMT
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Post by grahamthomson on Jul 30, 2010 9:26:41 GMT
There is indeed a black panel that folds down to reveal one of the arms (the other folds under the spoiler).
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2010 9:34:29 GMT
Thought there was. Ta.
See that prooves I own the toy even if it isn't in front of me right now.
It also might give you a tinsy clue what I'm writing about today.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jul 30, 2010 9:49:16 GMT
I'm terrible at guessing games.
I really wished Sunstreaker could have been reissued. The one I have is in poor, poor condition.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2010 11:11:41 GMT
One has mentioned his lack of reissue since 1990...... as well as suggesting a slew of E-Hobby exclusive recolours.
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