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Post by blueshift on Dec 29, 2016 20:29:23 GMT
After Throttlebot-gate here is a fun game. One person writes a mad theory and the next person must do their best to make it seem sane and well thought-out, just like Phil does when he claims Sunstreaker is secretly Sideswipe. Then they get to invent a new theory, and so on.
I will start
"The wave 1 Autobot Pretenders were actually meant to be updated Omnibots"
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 29, 2016 20:54:04 GMT
That makes perfect sense because 'omni' means 'all' and the Autobot Pretenders were designed to be like the dominant lifeform on Earth ie 'all' so that is why they were human. Thus, logically, they had to be updated Omnibots.
Theory: Quickswitch was actually meant to be an updated Tailgate.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Dec 29, 2016 21:11:36 GMT
Theory: Quickswitch was actually meant to be an updated Tailgate. It's funny you should say that Ralph, as that one's true. One of the Takara executives enjoyed manipulating Tailgate's legs and arms into different positions, claiming he could change into "a million things". This is why his TF Universe bio claims he is insane, as a jab at the executive. Quickswitch is just an update version of this vision made reality, and a boat mode where it's not just the legs bent backwards. Theory: Galvatron was originally going to be an updated Huffer |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 29, 2016 23:05:04 GMT
Theory: Galvatron was originally going to be an updated Huffer That's true. Huffer was originally meant to be Optimus Prime's opposite number, so that both sides had truck cabs as their leaders. Huffer's character profile says he'll grumble that it can't be done and then build the most complex mechanized fortress imaginable, which is the sort of thing a Decepticon Leader will do. It also says he's extremely strong, just like Galvatron. And remember, in 'Dark Awakening' Daniel mentioned that Huffer fell in the Great War, though he never actually appeared in the Movie. Reason: they used Megatron in place of where Huffer was going to be. Theory: What we know as the Hot Rod toy was originally intended to represent Arcee, a female character. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2016 11:40:21 GMT
A widely accepted theory since gender does not exist in robots so characters labelled 'female' can just as easily be characters fans label 'male'. Additionally the two were often seen on screen together so it was clear animators weren't sure which to use in final shots as both could be used interchangeably to serve the storyline so just left both in in the end!
Theory: Combiners were originally meant to be the first Actionmasters but the build quality was so low their arms and legs kept falling off... and well, one idea led to another..
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2016 13:41:39 GMT
The eventual Action-Master versions of Devastator and Bruticus (aka the Elite Action-Master 'Turbo-Master') are conclusive proof this theory is correct.
Theory: Soundwave was originally intended to be a suit of armour for a human superhero called 'Cassette-Man', built by Tony Stark and Hank Pym, who would join the Avengers team.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 30, 2016 14:08:12 GMT
Theory: Soundwave was originally intended to be a suit of armour for a human superhero called 'Cassette-Man', built by Tony Stark and Hank Pym, who would join the Avengers team. I think you've got this game wrong Martin, sorry. You're supposed to make up crazy theories, not state fact. As we know, the original Soundwave was from the Japanese Microman line, and indeed early imports of the character were called Cassette-Man, indicating Hasbro's original plan. Hasbro wanted to release a Microman figure along with Soundwave who would be 'Cassette-Man', who would fit not in the cassette compartment (as that would be stupid) but in the battery compartment. Vestiges of this plan can be seen in the Auto-Scout, which appeared in the cartoon but the toy of which was a bike which the microman could ride, and also the use of Ironman 2020 as a backup strip in the comic, the rights to which were originally arranged well in advance to ease the reader into this plot, before the plans were changed. Theory: Snarl and Hoist were switched very late. Originally the Snarl toy was going to be released as an Autobot car, and the Hoist toy was going to be a dinobot. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 30, 2016 20:49:04 GMT
After Throttlebot-gate... What is it that this is? Big Phil up to his tricks again? (he's right about Sideswipe and Sunstreaker though...) |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2016 22:18:22 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 30, 2016 22:33:43 GMT
Ahhh! Mini-Autobots redone! Yes! I'm totally with you there Big Phil! Gears is the only one that doesn't seem just right. Everybot else is spot on! It totally fits!
This... Scramble City... Sideswipe/Sunstreaker....
O.M.G. Phil is Hasbro!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2016 22:41:04 GMT
NOOOO! It's all nonsense!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 30, 2016 22:49:41 GMT
DON'T FIGHT IT, DOCTOR!!!!
IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!!!!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2016 22:55:34 GMT
It does not and in the thread in question in the toy forum, Hubbers have lined up to repudiate it.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 31, 2016 8:03:11 GMT
It does not and in the thread in question in the toy forum, Hubbers have lined up to repudiate it. Agreed, and anything Ralph and I agree on is Fact. (Phil's right about Sideswipe and Sunstreaker, though.) Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 31, 2016 9:45:14 GMT
I disagree with the Burns-McV Ratification Hypothesis.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 31, 2016 10:14:46 GMT
I disagree with the Burns-McV Ratification Hypothesis. From a mathematical logic point of view, if we disagreed on literally everything, the statement that everything we agree on is Fact would be true. As would the statement that everything we agree on is Fiction. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 1, 2017 17:28:31 GMT
Theory: Soundwave was originally intended to be a suit of armour for a human superhero called 'Cassette-Man', built by Tony Stark and Hank Pym, who would join the Avengers team. I think you've got this game wrong Martin, sorry. You're supposed to make up crazy theories, not state fact. As we know, the original Soundwave was from the Japanese Microman line, and indeed early imports of the character were called Cassette-Man, indicating Hasbro's original plan. Hasbro wanted to release a Microman figure along with Soundwave who would be 'Cassette-Man', who would fit not in the cassette compartment (as that would be stupid) but in the battery compartment. Vestiges of this plan can be seen in the Auto-Scout, which appeared in the cartoon but the toy of which was a bike which the microman could ride, and also the use of Ironman 2020 as a backup strip in the comic, the rights to which were originally arranged well in advance to ease the reader into this plot, before the plans were changed. Theory: Snarl and Hoist were switched very late. Originally the Snarl toy was going to be released as an Autobot car, and the Hoist toy was going to be a dinobot. Correct. Snarl was obviously meant to be a car as cars can easily be snarled up in traffic. It is also why he had rage attacks. Dinosaurs could hoist above their weight sometimes when fighting primative humans so obviously Hoist was meant to be a dinobot. Theory: Thunderwing was meant to be a new toy for Trypticon. -Ralph |
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Post by The Huff on Jan 1, 2017 20:12:07 GMT
Theory: Thunderwing was meant to be a new toy for Trypticon. -Ralph This one is obvious. They originally designed the Thunderwing toy to be a lizard like Pretender version of Trypticon with a space jet mode and the small inner robot was supposed to be Full Tilt the car. They then decided to somehow add Brunt the tank as a huge second shell and this completely changed the original plan and resulted in the Ultra Pretender Roadblock. They then went back to the original Thunderwing/Trypticon design and changed it to be Galvatron to go alongside the larger toy. Then Simon Furman said that if they called it Thunderwing instead, he would give the character a good role in the UK comics. Minutes later, a young up and coming wrestler calling himself 'The Stone' then told Hasbro he'd love to play Roadblock in a GI Joe movie one day, so they changed the Trypticon toy name to Roadblock so they could keep hold of the trademark for future blockbuster films. Theory: The toy of Ratchet and Ironhide were meant to be the entire Decepticon army as they were both going to be troop building drones with other colours released as the line continued. |
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Post by Toph on Jan 2, 2017 3:07:05 GMT
Not so far fetched. The proof of this is found in the cartoon, with the fact that the scenes with endless Rumbles and Starscreams lined up are actually recolored Ironhide animation models. The decision to make Ironhide and Ratchet additional autobot warriors came too late in the game for Sunbow to change. They just drew on wings to make them jetformers.
Theory: Ultra Magnus was originally going to be the upgraded form of Bumblebee.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 2, 2017 7:19:28 GMT
Theory: Ultra Magnus was originally going to be the upgraded form of Bumblebee. Everyone knows that. Bumblebee's Universe entry says "Yet for all his wisecracks, he obviously idolizes the bigger robots, especially Optimus and Prowl". So it makes sense he would be upgraded to look like Optimus Prime but coloured white like Prowl. Also, Bumblebee was the only series 1 Mini Autobot toy design not to be re-used in series 3 (Huffer/Pipes, Brawn/Outback, etc.) due to his reincarnation as Ultra Magnus. Wheelie was originally intended to be the Roller for Bumblebee Magnus. Theory: Bludgeon, Octopunch, Doubleheader, Pincher, Longtooth and Stranglehold were originally conceived as Thundercats characters but turned into TF Pretenders due to a badly worded memo. Martin |
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Post by Toph on Jan 2, 2017 8:36:14 GMT
Theory: Bludgeon, Octopunch, Doubleheader, Pincher, Longtooth and Stranglehold were originally conceived as Thundercats characters but turned into TF Pretenders due to a badly worded memo. Martin That is true AND false, and an interesting piece of accidental corporate espionage. The memo wasn't badly worded, but instead it was accidentally put into an envelope, accidentally addressed to Hasbro, and accidentally put into the mail. It was then accidentally delivered by the US postal service, where it was then accidentally opened, and accidentally read by the head of the TF team at the time, Mr Pretender Von Pretenderberg who then said "Hot Dang!" And the rest is accidental history. Theory: Skylynx was originally conceived of as a new Minibot. |
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Post by Benn on Jan 2, 2017 11:10:22 GMT
Sort of. He was going to be the first combining pair of Minibots, but there was a misreading of the measurements and he grew in production. Not to be outdone, this provided indirect inspiration for the Combiner Micromasters.
Theory: Dion was originally intended to be Hot Rod.
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Post by The Huff on Jan 2, 2017 12:41:21 GMT
Theory: Dion was originally intended to be Hot Rod. There could be some truth in this for real as Orion Pax's design was originally intended to be for Ultra Magnus so it would be an obvious choice for Dion to be the original Hot Rod design. Blurr was also from the old robot in Cosmic Rust so this also backs up this theory. Theory: The Unicron toy was actually released in 1986 but we didn't know and don't remember it because he was called something else. |
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Post by Toph on Jan 2, 2017 16:50:30 GMT
This is true. He was called Dave.
Theory:
The Dinobots were once going to be reimagined as penguins.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 2, 2017 18:41:26 GMT
I'd buy that team.
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Post by The Huff on Jan 2, 2017 21:52:19 GMT
Me too! Especially if the were all identical penguins that transform into the Dinobot's dinosaur modes rather than their robot modes! I won't try and come up with a theory as to why this is true because it just should be. I mean, it's been said so many times - what kids don't love dinosaurs, robots and penguins!? |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 23, 2017 7:52:49 GMT
The Seacons were originally going to be called the Sharkticons and were intended to be coloured like Gnaw, and Skalor was going to be Gnaw. The other Sharkticons' names were going to be Gnash, Gnibble, Gnautilator, Gnigel and their leader Captain Gnemo, and the would combine into God Gneptune.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 23, 2017 8:06:21 GMT
They were only making plans for Gnigel and because they only wanted the best for him they renamed him Snaptrap.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 23, 2017 8:17:47 GMT
Does Martin know that there is, genuinely, a Japanese repaint of Pirranicon/King Poseidon called God Neptune?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 23, 2017 8:33:12 GMT
It would be a nice coincidence if I didn't.
Martin
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