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Post by Benn on Mar 3, 2019 9:37:59 GMT
The colours always did pop more on Hyperdrive. I must have them.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 9:45:11 GMT
I like how they have highly visible screws/screwholes on the chest just like back in the day.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 9:45:46 GMT
I'm sure we used to have a thread about whether we can 'see' the screwholes when he look at toys.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 10:10:36 GMT
Pleased to see more Decepticons. It's a bit one sided at the moment. Especially if you take out the 'fake' Micromasters Laserbeak and Ravage.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 10:12:30 GMT
I'm still disappointed Soundwave doesn't come with a fake Micromaster Buzzsaw. They should have done that for us. Imagine how amazing that would have been.
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 10:14:54 GMT
Given his relatively small size you'd have thought that wouldn't have broken the plastic budget either.
Still. Trying to be Optimistic Prime this morning. Siege is going to be a great line in its own right. It just needs to be separated from the others. Do that and the height/hyperdetailing/battledamage doesn't matter.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 10:18:36 GMT
Given his relatively small size you'd have thought that wouldn't have broken the plastic budget either. Still. Trying to be Optimistic Prime this morning. Siege is going to be a great line in its own right. It just needs to be separated from the others. Do that and the height/hyperdetailing/battledamage doesn't matter. It would have been so amazing to walk into a shop and see 'Soundwave and Buzzsaw' in a box on a shelf. Just like I did as a boy... And yes, as a stand-alone line, Siege looks great IMO. Just what the heck does one do with the rest of one's piggin' Generations collection that are now all too big?!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 10:21:25 GMT
Keep them as a separate collection.
Actually, I'm talking bollix here. They're all going to be one. I can't have two Generations collections. That's just daft.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 10:25:18 GMT
Exactly! TWO Generations collections?!?! That way lies MADNESS!
....and death....
Edit: ....and divorce....
Actually, it's not working out too badly for me so far, scale-wise. Legends fit in pretty well. The likes of Generations Wheeljack, Tracks, Perceptor fit ok. Combiners generally stay combined, apart from my Terrorcons who stay in creature modes usually...
Edit Edit: Moshi Monsters, Lego Friends and The Ponies don't mind what scale Transformers are...
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 10:51:51 GMT
Yeah, it's not like everything has to be the same height. Like, I think Wheeljack should be a shade shorter than others, so his Generations figure still absolutely rules (love love love the 2010 Wheeljack). It may actually work out that the figures you need to be in scale with each other all get done in Siege so they do. Like the Op and Megs are okay, but it doesn't matter that (for example) the triple changers from TR are slightly bigger because there's nothing to say they can't be slightly larger. They're later, newer shock troops.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2019 11:17:06 GMT
The Siege deluxes don't look totally out of place with the POTP Dinobots either, who really ought to be on the taller side. Though Dinobots without the compromises brought by the combiner gimmick, and with the quality uptick of Siege would be a fine thing to see in the next part of WFC.
I'm doing lots of sorting out at the moment and have been opening old boxes of Transformers. Siege Swideswipe looks really out of place next to Classics Mirage, though I love both dearly.
EDIT: (as part of this sorting out I just this moment opened a mysterious Jiffy bag and found a mint copy of the 1992 annual. I honestly did not think I owned a copy of that at all and have a long standing saved search on eBay. That's a win, although also slightly worrying...)
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Post by Llama God on Mar 3, 2019 11:19:48 GMT
Is that it from Australia then? I'd imagine so, given it's pretty much Monday there now. Oh well.
Edit: Aha, just been to the Toy Fairs thread, and no it's not - it's only just started! Those crazy Aussies!
But yes, these look better decos than the Autobot ones, so I'd be more likely to pick them up if I found them. Probably just as well I never will, then. (See other thread for despair.)
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Post by The Huff on Mar 3, 2019 11:28:38 GMT
Does it annoy anyone else that the Micromasters upper legs are all the wrong (or new) colours?
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 12:03:25 GMT
It didn't until you said that :) Although comparing has made me realise how close these new ones are to the originals.
I'm thinking now about which Generations toys with base modes actually work with these. Are the new era base modes firmly Titanmaster scale, or do Micromasters work. I need to transform Trypticon back to city mode.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 3, 2019 12:37:24 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 12:41:19 GMT
Given his relatively small size you'd have thought that wouldn't have broken the plastic budget either. Still. Trying to be Optimistic Prime this morning. Siege is going to be a great line in its own right. It just needs to be separated from the others. Do that and the height/hyperdetailing/battledamage doesn't matter. It would have been so amazing to walk into a shop and see 'Soundwave and Buzzsaw' in a box on a shelf. Just like I did as a boy... And yes, as a stand-alone line, Siege looks great IMO. Just what the heck does one do with the rest of one's piggin' Generations collection that are now all too big?! The Generations of the CW/TR/POTP era don't 'fit' with earlier Generations/Classics lines away. Different aesthetic after around 2012 anyway. The approach of 'make the old toys again but with more articulation' means they looked completely different from that point on compared to what had come before. So really you need to have three or four Generations collections if you want displays that 'fit'... -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 3, 2019 13:34:34 GMT
I like how they have highly visible screws/screwholes on the chest just like back in the day. -Ralph Ah but these screw holes are extra special Ralph, do you know why?
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 14:13:11 GMT
It would have been so amazing to walk into a shop and see 'Soundwave and Buzzsaw' in a box on a shelf. Just like I did as a boy... And yes, as a stand-alone line, Siege looks great IMO. Just what the heck does one do with the rest of one's piggin' Generations collection that are now all too big?! The Generations of the CW/TR/POTP era don't 'fit' with earlier Generations/Classics lines away. Different aesthetic after around 2012 anyway. The approach of 'make the old toys again but with more articulation' means they looked completely different from that point on compared to what had come before. So really you need to have three or four Generations collections if you want displays that 'fit'... -Ralph Good points, my good Doctor. I do find previous Generations lines go better together than Siege does with them. I think this is the largest aesthetic switch.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 14:49:44 GMT
I like how they have highly visible screws/screwholes on the chest just like back in the day. -Ralph Ah but these screw holes are extra special Ralph, do you know why? No. -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 14:51:34 GMT
The Generations of the CW/TR/POTP era don't 'fit' with earlier Generations/Classics lines away. Different aesthetic after around 2012 anyway. The approach of 'make the old toys again but with more articulation' means they looked completely different from that point on compared to what had come before. So really you need to have three or four Generations collections if you want displays that 'fit'... -Ralph Good points, my good Doctor. I do find previous Generations lines go better together than Siege does with them. I think this is the largest aesthetic switch. I raise you Generations HFTD Seaspray and I give you Generations TR Seaspray. Much larger aesthetic change there. Game, set...and match! -ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 15:01:48 GMT
Good points, my good Doctor. I do find previous Generations lines go better together than Siege does with them. I think this is the largest aesthetic switch. I raise you Generations HFTD Seaspray and I give you Generations TR Seaspray. Much larger aesthetic change there. Game, set...and match! -ralph HFTD...? (and "checkmate!" would have been more effective there, Doc'...)
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Post by Toph on Mar 3, 2019 15:19:03 GMT
I raise you Generations HFTD Seaspray and I give you Generations TR Seaspray. Much larger aesthetic change there. Game, set...and match! -ralph HFTD...? (and "checkmate!" would have been more effective there, Doc'...) HftD- Hunt for the Decepticons. A movie line, part of Revenge of the Fallen. During that time, Hasbro was trying to lowkey boost Classics by slipping characters like Bludgeon and Lockdown into the movie line with sort of a hybred aesthetic, so it wouldn't look too out of place in either collection.
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 3, 2019 15:19:22 GMT
The classics lines mixed up make as much sense together as any other grouped lines. more than some, especially considering how long it has run for.
Remember Classics is now 13 years old.
You need to stitch together G1, G2 and Machine Wars to match that.
Oddly enough mixing Strike Plane Thrust, Action Master Thundercracker, G2 Ramjet, Machine Wars Skywarp and Machine Wars Starscream make a pretty funky line up too. You dont even have to go that far. Remember Cyclonus and Scourge being sold as part of the strike Plane line up.
The movie lines vary a lot in size, aesthetic and construction from line to line too.
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 3, 2019 15:20:26 GMT
Ah but these screw holes are extra special Ralph, do you know why? No. -Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 15:38:45 GMT
HFTD...? (and "checkmate!" would have been more effective there, Doc'...) HftD- Hunt for the Decepticons. A movie line, part of Revenge of the Fallen. During that time, Hasbro was trying to lowkey boost Classics by slipping characters like Bludgeon and Lockdown into the movie line with sort of a hybred aesthetic, so it wouldn't look too out of place in either collection. Ohh! The Big Seaspray! SEASPRAY'S DAD!Triple B kindly sent me one, a while ago now. He still features heavily in my games with the childrens (Seaspray's Dad, not Triple B. Although Triple B would be more than welcome to join in). Seaspray's Dad is particularly important if Octonauts or underwater Movie Ponies are involved. So HFTD is a movie sub-line, Doc'! Illegal move! You forfeit the game! A Full Point to me!
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 3, 2019 15:45:45 GMT
Classics has always been a weird bunching of line though.
Classics - modern updates (except Starscream) Set the idea of size for the line.
Universe - closer to originals mostly but many also had a bit of movie influenced design going on (except Hound who still looks to me like he was orginally conceieved as part of Animated) Generally a bit bigger, but not as solid as classics.
Transformers 2010 - actually a movie tie in line (technically) so comparing HFTD Seaspray to TR Seaspray is a little unfair.
Transformers Reveal the Shield - Coming out of TF2010 but even less focussed, sizes are all over the place. Jazz is huge, Laser Prime less so. And despite being very G1 also are quite live action movie-ish. (except Tracks who is pretty much just G1)
Generations 2010 era - The new moulds are probably as close to a return to the 2006 Classics as we've gotten. (except the ones that aren't WFC - super complicated- and Straxus)
Generations 2012 era - FOC, visually similar to WFC, but much simpler more in line with other classics. Deluxes are generally quite small. (except the combaticons who are huge)
Genrations 2013 - Mostly close to Classics, but generally smaller (except for the slightly larger ones who are, but thay are generally less complex)
Prime Wars - Bigger, simpler. Borderline cartoon level detailing
WFC - Smaller, complex. Over detailed.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 15:47:04 GMT
Was HFTD the same time as Reveal the Shield? The packaging looked the same.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 3, 2019 15:49:26 GMT
RTS followed HFTD, same hybrid idea but HFTD is slightly more movie. RTS slightly more classics.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 3, 2019 16:20:31 GMT
Remember Classics is now 13 years old. Oh God NNNOOOOOOO!!!!please... no....
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 3, 2019 16:22:25 GMT
Ah but these screw holes are extra special Ralph, do you know why? No. -Ralph They're 5mm holes, as used in combination
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