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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 29, 2019 13:11:36 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 29, 2019 13:16:01 GMT
Oh sorry, I thought you meant the 1984 Decepticon jets, which we mentioned, and not the Micromaster Transports. Not well today, apologies. Roughstuff is Onslaught. Flattop is a Decepticon version of Broadside who's swapped his red for purple. You really have lost your mind this time!!! -Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Nov 29, 2019 14:28:08 GMT
I was going to say Onslaught and Broadside to be sarcastic!!!!
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 29, 2019 14:45:18 GMT
Overload for me. And yes Overload always seemed like a Prime/Magnus homage or lazy redo. Once you become aware of Powered Convoy its even harder ignore.
And literally as Ive been typing this its just occured to me that Overload jet mode isnt a million miles removed from PC/UM chest armour jet.
Im not convinced by the other meant to bes.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
Right, well, in that case Overload's obviously the best toy. As for the Mad Theory Controvesy (I swear, I'm not going to be able to resist much longer the temptation to create a Mad Phil Theoriverse character bio thread in the Fanfic board), can we all agree that there is a big difference between asserting that a toy (say, Overload) was originally planned to be marketed as a new version of an existing character (say, Ultra Magnus) - which is not impossible but is impossible to prove - and saying that it's likely the earlier character provided ideas/inspiration that contributed to the later toy to a greater or lesser extent? And that the second stance is quite a logical position to take? I mean, a toy designer would have to be completely ignorant of all previous TF toys to be able to say with certainty that none of them gave him any ideas or influenced the later toys in any way whatsoever. Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
I was going to say Onslaught and Broadside to be sarcastic!!!! That demonstrates that if they were inspired by earlier toys (and ignoring the colours), it would have to be Onslaught and Broadside, because they were also the ones that popped into my mind when I tried to think of a Mad Theory for them. Flattop's transport is basically Broadside minus the robot mode. We've had two TF aircraft carriers, and they both turn into planes! What are the odds? Roughstuff would be a better Micromaster incarnation of Onslaught if he had cannons rather than pointy missiles, but they're similar enough to call one an upgrade of the other. No, it's not enough to justify saying they were _supposed_ to be Broadside and Onslaught, but it's enough to justify saying, "Wouldn't it have been nice to have had recoloured versions of these guys marketed as Micromaster versions of Broadside and Onslaught?" To which the only answer would be, of course it would. Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 29, 2019 18:04:09 GMT
Martin brings some sanity here.
And I can definitely agree Overload might have been a wink and a nod to /inspired by PC.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 18:21:35 GMT
Poor Erector is the inevitable loser on three counts:
1. Embarrassing name.
2. Up against a car carrier that can hold an entire Micromaster Patrol.
3. Whereas the other three Transports turn into space jets and take flight into the stratosphere, Erector's Transport turns into a machine that fixes itself immobile on the ground.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 18:27:40 GMT
Oh, and according to his tech-specs, Overload's supersonic jet also has hydrofoil capabilities. So it's also a speedboat!
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 29, 2019 18:43:01 GMT
Best argument against Overload ever been intended to be Prime is the FACT that Between Powermaster Prime and Energon Prime all Primes were long nosed cabs.
But that doesnt stop the design being inspired by Prime or intended to be Ultra Magnus. Micromasters were big (hehe) on cities and Magnus was City Commander so I could totally see it.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 19:03:34 GMT
Best argument against Overload ever been intended to be Prime is the FACT that Between Powermaster Prime and Energon Prime all Primes were long nosed cabs. But they all came after Overload, didn't they? And you're ignoring the Classic and G2-variation releases. No, the best argument against Overload ever being intended to be Prime is that he tows a car-carrier not a box trailer. Martin
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Post by blueshift on Nov 29, 2019 19:44:07 GMT
Best argument against Overload ever been intended to be Prime is the FACT that Between Powermaster Prime and Energon Prime all Primes were long nosed cabs. But that doesnt stop the design being inspired by Prime or intended to be Ultra Magnus. Micromasters were big (hehe) on cities and Magnus was City Commander so I could totally see it. Not you too!!! Phil's sickness is spreading!
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 29, 2019 19:57:48 GMT
Best argument against Overload ever been intended to be Prime is the FACT that Between Powermaster Prime and Energon Prime all Primes were long nosed cabs. But they all came after Overload, didn't they? And you're ignoring the Classic and G2-variation releases. No, the best argument against Overload ever being intended to be Prime is that he tows a car-carrier not a box trailer. Martin Star Convoy was out in Japan and Action Master Prime was available about the same time with his long nose cab. Classic and G2 Prime were reissues, so from the point of view of how the designers developed Prime over the first 20 years are irrelevant (as are MP1 or WST Prime which are just recreating the original). All new designed Primes (Star Convoy, AM, Hero, Laser and Armada) were long nosed. And as the original designer of Prime was still involved well beyond the 2007 movie it fair to assume that wasn't accidental. Especially when it would have been very easy to name Overload, Thunderclash or Pyro Optimus Prime.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 29, 2019 19:59:49 GMT
Star Convoy was out in Japan Overload was 1989, Star Convoy and Action Master OP were two years later in 1991. Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 29, 2019 20:06:18 GMT
Star Convoy was out in Japan Overload was 1989, Star Convoy and Action Master OP were two years later in 1991. Martin Gah why do I always confuse Starsaber and Star Convoys release dates. But AM Prime was 1990 so a bit later than Overload, but I suspect close enough that they were in developement alongside each other.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 29, 2019 21:14:32 GMT
Best argument against Overload ever been intended to be Prime is the FACT that Between Powermaster Prime and Energon Prime all Primes were long nosed cabs. But that doesnt stop the design being inspired by Prime or intended to be Ultra Magnus. Micromasters were big (hehe) on cities and Magnus was City Commander so I could totally see it. Not you too!!! Phil's sickness is spreading! It's all over. -Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Nov 30, 2019 12:15:04 GMT
Star Convoy was out in Japan Overload was 1989, Star Convoy and Action Master OP were two years later in 1991. Martin Action Master Optimus was 1990.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 30, 2019 15:09:15 GMT
Action Master Optimus was 1990. My mistake. Was using the Marvel comic as my reference point. Martin
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Post by The Huff on Dec 1, 2019 8:23:18 GMT
Action Master Optimus was 1990. My mistake. Was using the Marvel comic as my reference point. Martin I thought so and you are right - in the real world (ie Marvel) it was 1991!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2019 18:09:04 GMT
Finishes tomorrow am. I am pleased to see the Diaclone Magnus love being shown.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 5, 2019 18:25:53 GMT
Got to be hasn't it. The fact he can transport MM cars is an easy win.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 5, 2019 19:15:22 GMT
Finishes tomorrow am. I am pleased to see the Diaclone Magnus love being shown. Diaclone Magnus isn't in this poll, Phil. -Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 5, 2019 19:28:09 GMT
Big Crane
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 5, 2019 19:32:53 GMT
BIG WILLY.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 5, 2019 19:35:25 GMT
Finishes tomorrow am. I am pleased to see the Diaclone Magnus love being shown. Diaclone Magnus isn't in this poll, Phil. -Ralph Maybe there is a secret option.
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Post by Llama God on Dec 5, 2019 23:15:33 GMT
Much as I wanted to vote Erector, because of course I did, I had to go with Delta Mag- er, I mean, Overload. Because he's a truck-based bot, and they're all the best.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2019 7:40:29 GMT
Delta Magnos I mean Overload wins!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2019 7:45:08 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
It's the Dececepticon version of Broadside vs Onslaught!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 6, 2019 7:48:43 GMT
No it isn't!!!
-Ralph
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