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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 10:14:14 GMT
I think Mr Fantastic is the hardest to write. When a writer really gets to grips with him he's very interesting. Hickman did great with him.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 29, 2018 10:35:26 GMT
What if Pinwig just harmlessly passed on those Class CDs to me without listening to them! Or the books!! Don't give me ideas. |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 29, 2018 11:40:43 GMT
The thing is, I really enjoy the FF concept when done in other media - ie the Incredible, the FF analogues in Venture Bros... but the actual FF is eeeeh. I think a lot of it is that there is super reverence towards them in the comics but never really explaining why I should care.
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Post by Kingoji on Sept 29, 2018 11:57:08 GMT
You mean, in-universe?
Well, there's the simple fact of them being the first, but more than that there's the very public nature of them, and the fact that public loves them for being so public and positive role models. The general acceptance and adoration that the public has for the FF is something that all other heroes aspire for but never seem to reach. This coupled with the team being very genuine, reliable, and experienced, means that other heroes can't even bring themselves to be jealous of their success, as the FF have earned it over and over.
In the real-world, I think the reverence is simply that people know and respect that the FF are so important to the MU in general that their absence is like a missing piece of history, and not so much that you HAVE to be a fan of them to understand their influence.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 29, 2018 12:47:35 GMT
There so many great stories.... But let's focus on the modern, have any of you... you... non-F4ers, read the Hickman run? It's a thing of beauty. I have't but I loved his Avengers run so picked up some volumes when I found them cheap, sadly I still need volume 1 (I think) so havent made a start on them. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 14:32:43 GMT
There so many great stories.... But let's focus on the modern, have any of you... you... non-F4ers, read the Hickman run? It's a thing of beauty. I have't but I loved his Avengers run so picked up some volumes when I found them cheap, sadly I still need volume 1 (I think) so havent made a start on them. Oh aye, ya've to read it from start. It has a definite start and end. Well good it is. -Here, I can build- |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 29, 2018 15:49:45 GMT
The FF are ok.
Passing on True Friend gifts without using them is not. Perhaps the bag can yet find its way home?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 16:24:14 GMT
The thing is, I really enjoy the FF concept when done in other media - ie the Incredible, the FF analogues in Venture Bros... but the actual FF is eeeeh. I think a lot of it is that there is super reverence towards them in the comics but never really explaining why I should care. The Incredibles was Pixar's first great failure. Complete rip-off of the FF without the charm, wit, excitement or big ideas. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 17:30:55 GMT
You mean, in-universe? Well, there's the simple fact of them being the first, but more than that there's the very public nature of them, and the fact that public loves them for being so public and positive role models. The general acceptance and adoration that the public has for the FF is something that all other heroes aspire for but never seem to reach. This coupled with the team being very genuine, reliable, and experienced, means that other heroes can't even bring themselves to be jealous of their success, as the FF have earned it over and over. In the real-world, I think the reverence is simply that people know and respect that the FF are so important to the MU in general that their absence is like a missing piece of history, and not so much that you HAVE to be a fan of them to understand their influence. I fucking love you, Kingoji. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 17:31:33 GMT
The thing is, I really enjoy the FF concept when done in other media - ie the Incredible, the FF analogues in Venture Bros... but the actual FF is eeeeh. I think a lot of it is that there is super reverence towards them in the comics but never really explaining why I should care. You make me sick. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 29, 2018 18:44:10 GMT
Never let it be said that Shockprowl is at home to Mr Tactful.
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 18:55:59 GMT
I can't even look at you.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 29, 2018 19:12:22 GMT
No, well that at least is geographically true.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 29, 2018 19:48:06 GMT
The thing is, I really enjoy the FF concept when done in other media - ie the Incredible, the FF analogues in Venture Bros... but the actual FF is eeeeh. I think a lot of it is that there is super reverence towards them in the comics but never really explaining why I should care. The Incredibles was Pixar's first great failure. Complete rip-off of the FF without the charm, wit, excitement or big ideas. -Ralph "You are on the List" etc. |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 29, 2018 20:02:35 GMT
orry off topic, but mention of the Incredibles was made...
What Marvel should be doing is getting Disney/Pixar to make animated movies, proper high end movies (like the Incredibles) starring RDJ, the Chris', well everybody. Make them MCU continuity. Guardians certainly has a wide open space between Vol2 and Infinity War. There could be a good story for the Avengers while they're on the run between Civil War and Infinity War.
Would be a great way to keep actors involved who dont want to commit to the full live action experience and fill out some of the usually 2 or more year gaps between existing films. It would be especially good for Spider-man given the roughly real time storytelling we'll likely only get this next one set in highschool, but could have animated ones set there for years to come.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 29, 2018 20:03:10 GMT
Also Ralph is mad. Pixar didnt make a proper mis step till Brave.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 29, 2018 20:07:09 GMT
Agreed. Brave was very poor.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 20:46:47 GMT
orry off topic, but mention of the Incredibles was made... What Marvel should be doing is getting Disney/Pixar to make animated movies, I had hoped that the success of Big Hero 6 (a Marvel comic property after all and it even has a Stan cameo) would herald a series of animated Marvel films to run alongside the live action films and am puzzled that has not happened. Loads of Marvel stuff would work great in animation. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 20:47:31 GMT
Also Ralph is mad. Pixar didnt make a proper mis step till Brave. I liked Brave. -Ralph |
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Post by Benn on Sept 29, 2018 20:55:10 GMT
As did I. You could tell the creative team got switched out midway though.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 29, 2018 21:04:29 GMT
Its not that its bad, it just feels like Pixar suddenly though they were Disney for a film and it didn't work properly.
Still it is in a fight with at least one of the Cars films for worst Pixar film.
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Post by Jim on Sept 29, 2018 21:07:20 GMT
Weakest Pixar that I've seen is Ratatouille I think. Finally saw it after all these years during the summer and was quite disappointed. The Incredibles is _great_, and we're off to see the sequel at the cinema tomorrow (release delayed over here  ). It's both the best Fantastic Four film ever made and also the best Watchmen adaptation. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 21:14:37 GMT
We...do not talk about the Watchmen film.
*weeps*
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Sept 29, 2018 22:36:46 GMT
orry off topic, but mention of the Incredibles was made... What Marvel should be doing is getting Disney/Pixar to make animated movies, I had hoped that the success of Big Hero 6 (a Marvel comic property after all and it even has a Stan cameo) would herald a series of animated Marvel films to run alongside the live action films and am puzzled that has not happened. Loads of Marvel stuff would work great in animation. -Ralph Big Hero 6 has no real connection to the comic it's based on, sharing only a couple names, as mutants are licensed to Fox. (Not a complaint, the movie was wonderful) But as Disney now theoretically has access to F4, I'm hoping they may give it the BH6 treatment. |
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). It's both the best Fantastic Four film ever made and also the best Watchmen adaptation.