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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 16:50:11 GMT
So. Let's see now. In Transformers: The Movie, Hot Rod interfered in Optimus' battle with Megatron, despite his friend Kip's warnings not to. Optimus was clearly winning his duel! HotRod's foolish interference gave the defeated Megatron the opportunity to grab the, surprisingly small, Blaster of Death and fatality shoot noble Optimus.
Then, oh what a surprise! Hot Bastard gets himself all Primed up! Coincidence? OR PRE-PLANNED MURDER?!?!?!
MURDER I SAY!
And, therefore, anyone who owns a HotRod or Rodimus toy, particularly the MP09, is a TRAITOR TO OPTIMUS PRIME!!!!
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Post by blueshift on Dec 26, 2018 17:15:56 GMT
Hot Rod was in no way responsible.
But really it was for the best. Getting rid of the chaff so that the glorious Rodimus Prime could rise and light our darkest hour.
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Post by Toph on Dec 26, 2018 17:27:16 GMT
No, Megatron killed Optimus. Blaming Hotrod is like (walking dead spoilers) people blaming Daryl for Glenn's death. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
Hot Rod was in no way responsible. But really it was for the best. Getting rid of the chaff so that the glorious Rodimus Prime could rise and light our darkest hour. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 17:56:19 GMT
No, Megatron killed Optimus. Blaming Hotrod is like (walking dead spoilers) people blaming Daryl for Glenn's death. Yeah, I don't know what that means.... |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 26, 2018 18:58:26 GMT
Hot Rod was in no way responsible. But really it was for the best. Getting rid of the chaff so that the glorious Rodimus Prime could rise and light our darkest hour. As I recall, he needed dead Optimus's help to open the Matrix. And everything went downhill for the future Autobots once RP became leader, in the UK comics. Martin |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 19:25:31 GMT
Hot Rod was in no way responsible. But really it was for the best. Getting rid of the chaff so that the glorious Rodimus Prime could rise and light our darkest hour. As I recall, he needed dead Optimus's help to open the Matrix. And everything went downhill for the future Autobots once RP became leader, in the UK comics. Martin YES! Rodimus 'Prime' sucks ass. |
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Post by Toph on Dec 26, 2018 19:27:38 GMT
No, Megatron killed Optimus. Blaming Hotrod is like (walking dead spoilers) people blaming Daryl for Glenn's death. Yeah, I don't know what that means.... TWD spoilers It was a very similar situation. Negan, the bad guy killed fan favorite Glenn by bashing his head in with a baseball bat, he said because fan favorite Daryl acted up when Negan was holding them all hostage.
Glenn fans blamed Daryl, instead of placing the blame on the murderer who actually killed the character. This is the same thing. Megatron is the monster who was going to kill Optimus either way. It's deferring guilt to blame Hotrod. He didn't hold the gun, aim it, and kill optimus. If you took him out of the situation, Megatron would have killed Optimus. If you took megatron out of the situation, Hotrod would not have killed Optimus. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 19:33:34 GMT
NOOOOO!!!!! Optimus had Megatron beat! Game over! Incapacitated and taken into custody! Hot Rod's NEGLIGENT interference gave Megatron the crutial seconds he needed to grab the Death Blaster!
If HotRod hadn't interfered Optimus Prime would not have been shot by Megatron.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2018 21:15:31 GMT
MEGATRON.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 26, 2018 21:44:18 GMT
NOOOOO!!!!! Optimus had Megatron beat! Game over! Incapacitated and taken into custody! Hot Rod's NEGLIGENT interference gave Megatron the crutial seconds he needed to grab the Death Blaster! If HotRod hadn't interfered Optimus Prime would not have been shot by Megatron.I concur with my esteemed colleague. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 26, 2018 21:54:53 GMT
NOOOOO!!!!! Optimus had Megatron beat! Game over! Incapacitated and taken into custody! Hot Rod's NEGLIGENT interference gave Megatron the crutial seconds he needed to grab the Death Blaster! If HotRod hadn't interfered Optimus Prime would not have been shot by Megatron.I concur with my esteemed colleague. YES! YEESSSS!!!! IN YOUR FACE, errr, PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME! |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2018 21:58:19 GMT
MEGATRON.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 26, 2018 22:48:01 GMT
Megatron killed him but wouldn't have had the chance without Hot Rod.
I mean Hot Rod wasn't trying to kill Optimus and wasn't working with Megatron in some kind of conspiracy. In a court of law I doubt Hot Rod would be convicted of murder. Maybe of Manslaughter as he was being hopelessly reckless, but even that I doubt.
Totally to blame for providing Megatron with the opurtunity to kill Prime though.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 27, 2018 7:58:53 GMT
Megatron appeared in a hundred stories with Op without killing him. Hot Rod appears for the first time in a story with Op, and Op dies. Highly suspicious.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 27, 2018 9:13:24 GMT
It is suspicious. Hot Rod's Techspecs give him an intelligence of 10! He obviously planned the entire thing, like a game of chess, slowly all the pieces fell I to place, allowing him to achieve his ultimate goal: REPLACING OPTIMUS PRIME!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 27, 2018 9:42:23 GMT
Explain 'The Return of Optimus Prime' then.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 27, 2018 9:55:55 GMT
As soon as Rodimus lost his manipulative mind Optimus returned. Coincidence? I think not!
And then Rodimus spent most of the second episode trying to kill Optimus again while blaming it on a red glowy 'Hate Plague' which is as ridiculous and unbelievable as it sounds.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 27, 2018 14:23:28 GMT
When you travel back in time, you're supposed to target your enemies to displace to Limbo. Galvatron displaced Prime, Prowl and Ratchet. Who did Rodimus Prime choose to send to Limbo during the Time Wars? Optimus Prime!
Fortress Maximus recognised it for the treacherous act it was and gave him a good wrongly coloured thrashing for it.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 27, 2018 15:58:47 GMT
Rodimus' crimes multiply! I was right to bring this manipulative monster to people's attention. What a bastard.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 27, 2018 15:59:20 GMT
Explain 'The Return of Optimus Prime' then. -Ralph Optimus foiled the False Prime's plan! Obviously! |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 27, 2018 18:40:20 GMT
Quit drinking the sherry.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 27, 2018 21:28:37 GMT
If Rodders was such a tactical fiend then where is he in 'The Rebirth' then? Just a trooper! With OPTIMUS PRIME as the Big Daddy!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 27, 2018 22:17:21 GMT
There is no longer a working Matrix to power him up. Therefore he cannot cheat his way to the top any longer.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 28, 2018 0:10:41 GMT
Yes, it's quite obvious when you watch the movie. The little gun Megatron picks up shoots purple lasers:  The shots that fell Prime are orange lasers:  Where did the orange lasers come from?  |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 28, 2018 11:17:01 GMT
Oh no....
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 28, 2018 11:58:24 GMT
Undeniable evidence.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 28, 2018 11:59:06 GMT
Unless we take into account direction and spectral shift.
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 28, 2018 13:24:25 GMT
Prime gets hit with a couple of purple lasers first, so we can't fully place the blame on Hot Rod.
Perceptor is also to blame for not having enough medical knowledge. Ratchet probably could've saved Prime, and who killed him? Starscream with Megatron. It's a tangled conspiracy, but Hot Rod is involved.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 28, 2018 13:27:09 GMT
Yes, it's quite obvious when you watch the movie. The little gun Megatron picks up shoots purple lasers: View AttachmentThe shots that fell Prime are orange lasers: View AttachmentWhere did the orange lasers come from? View AttachmentIt... it really is undeniable... I always believed HotRod was guilty, but never in my wildest legal dreams did I expected there would be such compelling and undeniable evidence of such power as to render those who side with the Murderer.... accomplices to the fact! |
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