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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:56:21 GMT
Vote!
(It doesn't really matter to them as they were best friends and never seriously disagreed on stuff.)
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
Xaaron is senior!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 10:59:44 GMT
Ooohhh I love ranks!
I think equal. Xaaron is much older, a leader before the war etc, but Optimus is The Prime. Both rank 10.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 22, 2019 11:03:47 GMT
The leader of the Autobot High Council before the war was Traachon. Xaaron was just a council-member.
Andy
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Post by The Huff on Feb 22, 2019 11:58:39 GMT
I've always seen Xaaron as a superior to Optimus Prime in Marvel.
In the original Transformers, Optimus was just a leader (a very good one) but not some God or worshipped figure that had an honour bestowed upon him like all present reiterations. He earned his reputation and Prime wasn't some title - just his name.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:42 GMT
That's a good point, Hufferlover. Prime wasn't a title at first! It was just his name!
It only became a title after Hotrod came along, murdered Optimus, and stole the Creation Matrix.
So... maybe Xaaron IS higher ranked than Optimus Prime. Traachon, Xaaron and other civilian leading council types out-rank military leaders like Optimus Prime...?
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Post by The Huff on Feb 22, 2019 12:34:10 GMT
Did anyone else just see Alpha Trion as the cartoons (inferior) Emirate Xaaron? (A bit like Buster & Spike until they changed their minds?) I did.
But would like to see the two of them meet now they both seem to co-exist.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 18:05:30 GMT
Hmmm, never really thought about that...
I think... I think I see them as occupying two separate, erm, offices. Xaaron is clearly some kind of civilian leader type, whereas Alpha Trion is like a... Head of State...?
Oh I dunno...
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Post by Benn on Feb 22, 2019 18:52:58 GMT
Alpha Trion is crazy old loon who babbles on street corners until you give him energon to go away.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 22, 2019 19:07:52 GMT
The modern thing of 'Prime' being a title gets right on my tits. It's like if in the real world there was a great military leader called Jessie Bloggs so then all future greats are called Bloggs. They must become the new Bloggs!
Such bollocks.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 19:10:01 GMT
The modern thing of 'Prime' being a title gets right on my tits. It's like if in the real world there was a great military leader called Jessie Bloggs so then all future greats are called Bloggs. They must become the new Bloggs! Such bollocks. -Ralph Y... Yeah... YEAH! YEAH!!!Hey, the Doc's got a point here, guys! |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 22, 2019 19:11:12 GMT
I sense someone doesn't want to be the next Back Up Phil
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Post by blueshift on Feb 22, 2019 19:14:23 GMT
The modern thing of 'Prime' being a title gets right on my tits. It's like if in the real world there was a great military leader called Jessie Bloggs so then all future greats are called Bloggs. They must become the new Bloggs! Such bollocks. -Ralph What about rodimus? |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 22, 2019 19:47:24 GMT
He was a fool.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 22, 2019 20:21:08 GMT
He doesn't even understand how names work!
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 22, 2019 21:38:39 GMT
He's a murderer...
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 22, 2019 22:10:52 GMT
The thing with Rodimus - my first take on it (before all the rest of the stuff was layered on afterwards) was it was the merging of the souls of Optimus and Hot Rod to become one being - therefore Rodimus Prime. It made sense.
Making Prime an honorific title works elsewhere but not in the original G1 universe.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 22, 2019 22:11:49 GMT
Hmmm, never really thought about that... I think... I think I see them as occupying two separate, erm, offices. Xaaron is clearly some kind of civilian leader type, whereas Alpha Trion is like a... Head of State...? Oh I dunno... Thanks to IDW and those dreadful novels I hate Alpha Trion. Tedious character who can GTF. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 22, 2019 23:16:18 GMT
He's Optimus Prime's father!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2019 20:37:34 GMT
Only in Stardub land.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 23, 2019 22:30:33 GMT
The best land.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 24, 2019 18:55:05 GMT
Nay.
Andyland is better.
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Post by legios on Feb 26, 2019 21:47:23 GMT
Hmmm, never really thought about that... I think... I think I see them as occupying two separate, erm, offices. Xaaron is clearly some kind of civilian leader type, whereas Alpha Trion is like a... Head of State...? Oh I dunno... The only Alpha Trion I've got much time for is the Generations one from a couple of years back. That is mostly because he looks like he is Robot Conan - thief, pirate, wanderer, adventurer, king by his own manipulator (who also turns into a bad-ass giant lion because why should space-elf wizards be the ones having all the fun). Even then I tend to assume that his _name_ is Trion, with Alpha being his title. As to the whole "Prime" thing - it only really works if you establish it as a title before you establish it as someones name. If you've spent ages calling someone "Bob Roberts" and then he gets replaced and the new guy "Joe" is now "Joe Roberts" it just seems "off". Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 3, 2019 21:24:46 GMT
Xaaron wins.
Martin
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