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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 21, 2018 9:05:38 GMT
So that's James Gunn fired from Guardians 3. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906019I've not seen the tweets they refer to and not to excuse them, but there does seem to be some double standards from Trump supporting conservatives here who seem to have targeted him. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 21, 2018 10:00:36 GMT
Also the fact that Disney were aware of them before as they had been reported back when he first got the gig and was rightfully pilloried and apologised then. That was the time to fire him.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 21, 2018 10:36:05 GMT
Even more of a mess.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 21, 2018 19:12:00 GMT
Also the fact that Disney were aware of them before as they had been reported back when he first got the gig and was rightfully pilloried and apologised then. That was the time to fire him. The jokes are in poor taste and not particularly funny, but they are mostly, at least that I've seen, in a pretty standard format that Ive seen plenty of comedians use, I find it ridiculous that now Disney decide to take action. Even if this hadn't already come up you'd think a company the size of Disney would simply pay someone to go through social media for any and all high profile employees before hiring them. I mean I get it, its Disney, and jokes about child sex are going to be looked upon poorly, but why now and not 5 or 6 years ago? Suppose I should be thankful, we wouldnt have Vol 1&2 otherwise. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 21, 2018 21:36:58 GMT
Also not approving of what he has said but now seems to be more about 'conservatives' having a convenient angle to punish someone who is recently publicly anti-Trump.
If they were really as upstanding as they claim then those who are those kicking up a stink here should be reconsidering their Trump support too.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Jul 22, 2018 8:37:32 GMT
If Disney knew of them when he was first appointed years ago then he should never have been given the gig.
Some of the tweets are atrocious and i fail to see which part of 'I fcked the little pussy boy sitting next to me' or 'Eagle Snatches Kid is what I call it when I have sex' is supposed to be funny? He's joking about himself raping kids, who in their right mind does that?
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 9:04:52 GMT
I think context or lack of it makes them look worse. Im sure, hell I know, plenty of people made horrible jokes when Jimmy Savilles crimes came to light. Doesn't mean the people telling them were guilty of the same crimes as Saville. But some of those comments taken out of context 6 years later sure wouldn't look good for them.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Jul 22, 2018 10:57:33 GMT
I think that's different though. That's mocking the subject rather than the victim.
There isn't really a context to be had with these jokes. At no point are either of the tweets I referenced above funny. There just isn't a joke anywhere in there.
His Unromantic Movie tweet, Three Men and The Baby They Had Sex With isn't funny but I can at least see where the joke is supposed to be in it. Most of the tweets being used to crucify him are the same, they aren't funny but nothing particularly outrageous and you can see the attempt at a joke. Joking about yourself raping kids is asking for the police to chap on your door stuff.
And I'm not a person who wants comedy censored or only for certain subjects, I'm the guy who made a joke about his own daughters death an hour after the funeral, but you can't say grotesque stuff to upset people then claim it was just a joke.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 11:51:28 GMT
I think that's different though. That's mocking the subject rather than the victim. There isn't really a context to be had with these jokes. At no point are either of the tweets I referenced above funny. There just isn't a joke anywhere in there. His Unromantic Movie tweet, Three Men and The Baby They Had Sex With isn't funny but I can at least see where the joke is supposed to be in it. Most of the tweets being used to crucify him are the same, they aren't funny but nothing particularly outrageous and you can see the attempt at a joke. Joking about yourself raping kids is asking for the police to chap on your door stuff. And I'm not a person who wants comedy censored or only for certain subjects, I'm the guy who made a joke about his own daughters death an hour after the funeral, but you can't say grotesque stuff to upset people then claim it was just a joke. Thats the thing though, taken out of context its not always clear who or what the joke was aimed at. Putting those 20 odd tweets in to a single post is absolutely the best way to make them all looks as bad as possible, taken in isolation most would maybe be questionable at most, in context of their respective twitter chains I suspect they become even less debatable. I'd argue the two examples you gave are still attempts at jokes, but working even worse than most of the rest. The Eagle one I had to google because I was barely aware of the fake video its references 6 years ago let alone now. I'm not claiming to know his intention but if that tweet wasn't bunched with the group it is now I wouldn't have assumed he was saying he's the eagle and the baby is still a baby. The other one I really can't get my head around, but it read more like a failed effort at mocking masculinity or some sense of self loathing or something. The two that seem like they should have gotten more attention are the two trans comments (even then at least one read more like self loathing again than attacking others) but as most of the right wingers who drove this probably have teir own negative feelings on the subject I guess they only made the cut because they were struggling to find sufficient tweets to make their case. |
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Jul 22, 2018 14:26:36 GMT
Eagle snatches Kid is what I call it when I get lucky, it's obvious what he's inferring there. It's a joke but what part of it is supposed to be funny? At what stage is raping a kid funny?
Same with the other, it's a joke referring to masculinity and testosterone but there's 100 other words he Could be put it there but he's gone straight for shagging the boy? How is that ever going to be funny?
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 15:11:08 GMT
Now thats how it reads, surrounded by the other tweets. In 2012 four days after the video was posted and presumbly was going viral then no I dont think people would have taken it as literally as they are now.
Replace Eagle with Dog, baby with bone or any one thing super excited by the sight of another and the statment still struturally works. That was just the thing at that time
And Im not arguing they are remotely funny, but in the absence of evidence to suggest otherwise Im going to assume thats what was being aimed for.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 15:42:51 GMT
In other news, it turns out that Disney made racist films in the past so they are going to close their studios and shut down
Seriously though the tweet thing is tricky as they /are/ horrid but he apologised for them in 2012, it was in news articles and everything. Disney hired him knowing that. Now, if this was stuff he was doing now, not ten years ago, then yeah, fire him. But you've got to let people change or you give people nothing to lose from mistakes in the distant past
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Post by Toph on Jul 22, 2018 15:50:59 GMT
He also apologized for them like... five or six years ago.
And the guy who "outed" him is a self confessed neo nazi, and has absolutely no personal issues with rape jokes. He's just doing this for a political capital, and admits as much.
Dragging up everything anyone ever says from their past without taking into consideration the kind of person they have, or haven't become is one of the biggest problems the left has.
If the person has a track record of continually saying and doing horrible things (such as Roseanne), then fine. Pull up the things she did and said in the nineties to prove that she hasn't changed at all.
But this mentality of "everyone needs to be 100% pure for all time ever" played a big factor in why our election went down the tubes. People were dragging up things Clinton and Sanders had done and said as far back as the sixties to "prove" how horrible they are, even though their positions are completely different now. And even though many of those things were purposefully used out of context to hurt them.
Gunn said some truly awful indefensible things in the name of humor, but he said them in like... 2012? He apologized, and everyone moved on, and I've not seen anyone produce any evidence he's said or done anything like that, since.
Meanwhile, everyone still flocks to Tom Cruise, who's one of the people in charge of a literal cult that uses slave labor, steals peoples' money, and bullies people into suicide. Or Johnny Depp (who beat his wife), Amy Schumer (who actively uses racist and transphobic humor), and Lena Dunam (who admits to raping her younger sibling or cousin in her biography, and uses it as a joke). While Chris Brown and R Kelly are still all over the radio.
If he said these things a year ago, or last tuesday? Sure, drag him. Fire him. But this was years ago. And you know what? He took this with grace. He apologized again. He didn't throw a fit or blame others or medication. And he hasn't said anything since.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Jul 22, 2018 16:13:23 GMT
That's the confusing thing. Disney knew about them, made him apologise, let him get on with the job.
Now they want to fire him? I don't understand their reasoning.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 16:40:50 GMT
I guess changing times. A Twitter campaign now can cuase them more problems than its worth.
Or they dont want bad publicity while they are trying to buy Fox.
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Post by legios on Jul 22, 2018 19:07:13 GMT
Now they want to fire him? I don't understand their reasoning. Fear. The right-wing are organised, loud and highly effective at mobilizing in large numbers. Disney don't want to be in a situation where the american right are angry at them, as they may not spend money on Disney-branded products or go and see Disney movies on opening weekend. This hits Disney in the bottom line, which is what they value. It is therefore easier to appease them by doing what they want, thus they throw a freelancer to the wolves. Karl. |
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Post by Toph on Jul 22, 2018 20:15:00 GMT
Actually, here Disney is constantly under attack from our far right. Fox News is always bitching about them, different christian organizations constantly demand boycotts for "pro-gay" messaging ("Boycott Frozen becuz teh lezbeeans!!!" "Don't go to their parks they hire GAYZ!!!"), and all sorts of BS like that.
The kind of jokes Gunn made aren't things that even make them mad. MAGAts would even flock to them if they stood by him. They only get pissy about it out of hypocrisy.
No, it's the left they're afraid of, here. Which is what all this was about: drag this out, stir up the left who will all turn and dogpile on him, disney will fire him, and some no-name neo nazi will become a right wing hero for starting another in fight.
Which is exactly what happened.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 15, 2019 18:19:28 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 18:20:39 GMT
Mere hours before the final is and ts on the Disney/Fox deal are done...
Still I am glad they have seen sense.
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 15, 2019 20:43:32 GMT
If it is Fox buy out related Im surprised the news wasnt held till it was well and truly done and dusted, but its probably too late to be stopped.
Also probably helps that he went to DC to do Suicide Squad and literally no one gave a damn.
Anyway good news, I just hope the original release date is delayed as little as possible.
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Post by drmick on Mar 17, 2019 20:35:46 GMT
How does the Fox buyout influence this reversal?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2019 20:51:46 GMT
There was a lot of speculation that Gunn was fired to placate the right wing element of America as the Disney/Fox deal was going to be scrutinised by a regulatory body with a Trump appointed head before getting the go ahead.
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Post by drmick on Mar 18, 2019 16:46:29 GMT
There was a lot of speculation that Gunn was fired to placate the right wing element of America as the Disney/Fox deal was going to be scrutinised by a regulatory body with a Trump appointed head before getting the go ahead. Haha- I hope this is true (as long as everybody else involved in the production didn't suffer financially). |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 18, 2019 18:59:56 GMT
You hope someone was fired to placate the right wing?!
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Post by drmick on Mar 19, 2019 21:03:39 GMT
You hope someone was fired to placate the right wing?! I hope the right wing were fooled by the pretend firing! |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 19, 2019 22:24:57 GMT
Well the merger is pretty much done so I would say so!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 19, 2019 22:31:35 GMT
Merger goes through tomorrow if I have understood the legalese correctly. Around 4000 people may lose their jobs.  -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 19, 2019 22:38:21 GMT
That's not good.
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