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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2013 15:34:53 GMT
And finally GI Joe Issues Every GI Joe issue from 25-75 was published in the UK, not necessarily in sequence Annoyingly the Invasion of Cobra Island, another of my fave GI Joe stories, was started in Transformers 298-305 (US Issues 73 & 74), continued in the 3rd special (US issue 75) and never finished ! 76, the concluding episode, which actually would make a reasonable finishing story rounding off a number of long running plot points. Martin will like it when he reads it based on comments above. 21: AF 37 & 38 25: AF 9 & 10 26: AF 11 & 12 27: AF 13 & 14 28: AF 15 & 16 29: AF 17, 18 & 19 30: AF 20 & 21 31: AF Special 1 Holiday Special 87 32: AF 22, 23 & 24 33: AF 25, 26 & 27 34: AF 3 & 4 35: AF Special 2 Winter Special 36: AF 28, 29 & 30 37: AF 31 & 32 38: AF 33 & 34 (41) 39: AF 35 & 36 (41) 40: AF Annual 1 1988 41: AF Annual 1 1988 42: AF 39, 40 & 41 43: AF 42 & 43 44: TF 99 - 102 45: AF 44 & 45 46: AF 46, 47 & 48 47: AF 49 & 50 48: TF 153 - 156 49: TF 157 - 160 50: TF 161 - 165 51: TF 166 - 169 52: TF 170 - 173 53: TF 174 - 177 54: TF 178 - 182 55: TF 191 - 194 56: TF 195 - 198 57: TF 204 - 207 58: TF 208 - 212 59: TF 220 - 224 60: TF 225 - 229 61: TF 235 - 240 62: TF 254 - 257 63: TF 258 - 261 64: TF 262 - 265 65: TF 266 - 269 66: TF 270 - 273 67: TF 274 - 277 68: TF 278 - 281 69: TF 282 - 285 70: TF 286 - 289 71: TF 290 - 293 72: TF 294 - 297 73: TF 298 - 301 74: TF 302 - 305 75: AF Special 3 Holiday Special  ? Material from the Yearbooks can be found in
Yearbook:
2: AF 36-39
3: TF 199-203
3: AF Annual 1990
4: AF Annual 1990
Whereas the publication of Special Missions is all over the shop. Note GIJoe Special missions started with a backup strip in GI Joe issue 50. Special Missions Issues 3, 9-11, 13-16, 17 & 18, 24, 26 and 28 have not been published in the UK Issue 19 has been published twice.
GI Joe 50 SM: AF 1 & 2
1: AF 5 & 6
2: AF Annual 89
4: AF 7 & 8
5: AF 43 - 48
6: TF 241 - 245
7: AF Annual 89
8: AF 36 - 41
12: TF 230 - 234
16: Hulk Presents 7 - 9
19: AF Holiday Special 4 AND AGAIN Hulk Presents 1 - 3
20: Hulk Presents 10 - 12
21: TF 248 - 253
22: Hulk Presents 4 - 6
23: AF Holiday Special 5
25: AF Annual 92
27: AF Annual 91
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2013 15:40:38 GMT
I refer you to part 2 of my inital response :-) That doesn't really answer my point, which was, does her tech-specs rank refer to before or after her promotion? If before, then might she not be an E-6 when Flint arrives? Before. So her promotion would taken her to E-6 level with Flint. And Snake Eyes. Thoroughly enjoying these books. They don't have such mind-blowing sci-fi concepts as Budiansky's Transformers, but they have better dialogue and do a cracking job with what could be quite dull and grim military operations. They are top stuff and were, quite rightly, HUGE sellers at the time I used to own the complete run of Action Force Monthly but went off them and got rid of them. I don't think the UK Action Force stories that I read ever really captured the likeability of Larry Hama's characters or the tongue-in-cheek wittiness of his scripts. The voices of Flint and Scarlett in 'Ancient Relics' certainly don't come across like Hama's Joes. I think that may have been the main problem I has with the Marvel UK Action Force: I'd read GI Joe by then, heck I bought GI Joe vs TFs on it's intitial US publication: the voices don't fit and the don't gell with the US stories nearly as well as the UK TF stories do. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2013 16:20:28 GMT
RE: Transformers reprints being re-packaged in hardcovers, just like IDW are doing currently for Gi Joe. I think this would be nice but there would needto be a publishing pause before it was done. Bearing in mind that the current set of Classics reprints come straight after...a previous set of Classic reprints there's only so much continual reaming of a hardcore audience before they have enough and diminishing returns set in/commercial unviability. I don't see many folk wanting to pay for the same material three times on the trot. Also remember that some of these issues were being republished by IDW anyway not long before both sets of Classic volumes! And the Titan HC's are still circling the retail chain despite bing out of print.
I can see nice bumper HC reprints of vintage Transformers reprints selling, but not right now.
Back to Action Force/GI Joe, very impressive work, Phil! Now I know which issues I read as a child! I had no idea how to match them up to US numbering.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2013 17:19:06 GMT
Back to Action Force/GI Joe, very impressive work, Phil! Now I know which issues I read as a child! I had no idea how to match them up to US numbering. -Ralph Thank you. All the info was on the YoJoe site but I wasn't happy with having to look at each UK issue to find out what was in it. Now we can see easily what was printed where. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2013 18:05:42 GMT
Martin has cost me money today: just bought copies of Classics 4 & 5 plus Yearbook Classics off Comixology
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Post by legios on Sept 24, 2013 20:00:34 GMT
That doesn't really answer my point, which was, does her tech-specs rank refer to before or after her promotion? If before, then might she not be an E-6 when Flint arrives? That is possible. It kind of depends at which point that bio was written in relation to Hama's notes and the early issues of the comic. Although, even if they were both E-6 grade then Flint could have more seniority if he had been "in" longer than Scarlett which would put him over her even if they were the same grade (which, if I recall correctly, would kind of fit with the portrayal of Flint). Um... Yes well, I guess that you could put it down to her being in shock and the fact that they have technically been rather explosively kicked out of the military at that point... Yes, I'm reaching now... I think it helps that Larry Hama had been in the Army, and that he has admitted to basing some of the characterisation on people he knew when he was serving(heck, the original Pit is actually located under the base he was at when he was stateside). It gives a bit of credibility to the dialogue, and the fact that the Joes can see the absurdities of military life at times makes them more than just cardboard soldiers. That's the Ace vs Wild Weasel furball I believe? I haven't read all of that. It is one that I must get around to getting at some point because it does rather appeal to me. Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2013 20:12:17 GMT
That doesn't really answer my point, which was, does her tech-specs rank refer to before or after her promotion? If before, then might she not be an E-6 when Flint arrives? That is possible. It kind of depends at which point that bio was written in relation to Hama's notes and the early issues of the comic. Although, even if they were both E-6 grade then Flint could have more seniority if he had been "in" longer than Scarlett which would put him over her even if they were the same grade (which, if I recall correctly, would kind of fit with the portrayal of Flint). I think Lady Jaye (E-4) bitching at Scarlett (E-5) on her first appearance (32) was bad ! Not got to the first Flint yet! That's the Ace vs Wild Weasel furball I believe? I haven't read all of that. It is one that I must get around to getting at some point because it does rather appeal to me. Issues 3 & 4 of the UK AF comic. It does feel more like a Special Missions story than part of the ongoing narative |
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Post by Jim on Sept 25, 2013 0:02:56 GMT
Nice work on the list Phil, I've always hated having to dig that information up. Indeed, I didn't read the conclusion to the Cobra Civil War until early last year! Mildly disappointed, but it has grown on me in retrospect.
As for Transformers Classics HCs, I'm not really asking for them to immediately start producing deluxe HCs (and I wouldn't be all that interested), just expressing that the quality of content and labour of love which is the additional material in the UK volumes is mismatched with uninspired packaging. It truly deserves oversized HCs with nice printing and reproduction. It is of course somewhat more niche than US GI Joe so we'll probably never see it, but I can dream.
-Jim
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2013 17:15:40 GMT
With TF reprints, the important thing is that James gets to complete his 8-volume series.
Oh, and we get a Marvel TF Universe compilation.
Oh, yeah. And a box art / tech specs book.
Hardbacks of the UK Classics books to go with the Titan Marvel US hardbacks would be nice but are lower down the priority list.
Hmmm, and a G.I. Joe character profile book would also be nice. (The G.I. Joe Field Manual had some text on the characters, but not the full biographical details.)
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2013 17:15:45 GMT
I loved the Uk Action Force strips as a nipper but I never really appreciated the US Gi Joe strips until I was an adult. Still swatches of them I have yet to read.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2013 17:17:02 GMT
Martin, the TF box art book is still in production according to compiler Jim Sorenson at AA this year. He gave an update and showed some of the art that will be used.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2013 17:23:01 GMT
Good, good.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2013 17:29:53 GMT
Hmmm, and a G.I. Joe character profile book would also be nice. (The G.I. Joe Field Manual had some text on the characters, but not the full biographical details.) Martin Get me to show you GIJOE Order of Battle when you visit. It's the GIJoe version of TF & Marvel Universe. www.yojoe.com/comics/marvel-comics-order-of-battle/ |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2013 19:07:34 GMT
The re-read has confirmed, as I thought, that 45-47 are seven shades of awesome.
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Post by legios on Sept 25, 2013 19:53:17 GMT
Martin has cost me money today: just bought copies of Classics 4 & 5 plus Yearbook Classics off Comixology I am in danger of going a similar way. I could do with some additional reading matter whilst I am off, and the Joe digital trades are looking quite tempting. Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2013 20:00:31 GMT
There are worse ways to spend money. Ten issues per book with a lot of words per page ('Silent Interlude' excepted), they take a while to get through.
Whoops! Blooper in 'Ancient Relics' where Barbecue is portrayed as a flamethrower rather than a firefighter. Either Marvel UK has him mixed up with Blowtorch, or else this one must be Beast Wars Barbecue...
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2013 20:33:37 GMT
"Silent Interlude", "Hush Job" & "SFX" aside.... Never let a good idea go to waste!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 26, 2013 6:13:02 GMT
Hmmm, and a G.I. Joe character profile book would also be nice. (The G.I. Joe Field Manual had some text on the characters, but not the full biographical details.) Martin Get me to show you GIJOE Order of Battle when you visit. It's the GIJoe version of TF & Marvel Universe. www.yojoe.com/comics/marvel-comics-order-of-battle/Ah, thank you for alerting me to its existence, Phil. I've Googled it and seen enough... I have determined that a copy will be mine. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2013 7:37:26 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 26, 2013 22:40:51 GMT
I can live with that omission. It's a better show than the TF Universe TPB on that score, with its missing Eject, Inferno, Pipes, Rewind, Steeljaw, Tailgate and Jumpstarters. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 27, 2013 7:16:46 GMT
I had no idea Rocky was a Joe!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 27, 2013 7:37:16 GMT
He wasn't..... but he was going to be. Read the articles linked above.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 27, 2013 20:19:24 GMT
Oh, I did. Still amazes me.
-Ralph
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Post by Jaymz on Sept 28, 2013 12:24:48 GMT
Thanks for the UK reprint list Phil, very useful information!
Martin, James confirmed at AA that we're getting all of the Marvel UK TF stuff, rather than them cutting it off at volume 5.
As for TF HCs, my dream version would be oversized [UK sized] with all the US and UK material reprinted in a decent reading order. The US material would be the UK edits where appropriate (I can live with the US spelling mistakes, but Skids needs to be deleted, etc). And background info after each story would be nice [much like in the GI Joe HCs and the interview material in the Classics UK books]. Some features on unused/edited artwork would be cool [not that I know of much, beyond some panel adjustments in Marvel US issue 1, but asking around original art owners might yield some surprises].
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 1, 2013 17:33:17 GMT
Thanks to Phil alerting me to its existence, the Interweb and something called "money", I now hold in my hands a like-new copy of the G.I. Joe Order of Battle TPB. It's fab.
But I think I've reached the end of my G.I. Joe binge, now having:
Classic G.I. Joe Volumes 1-5
G.I. Joe Yearbook (TPB collection)
G.I. Joe Order of Battle (TPB)
G.I. Joe and the Transformers (1993 TPB)
The G.I. Joe Field Manual Volumes 1 & 2
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra 2-disc Blu-ray
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Mission Dossier
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Top Trumps
G.I. Joe: Retaliation (Blu-ray and DVD)
I don't think there's anything else I want, to be honest. I think the battle for Springfield is a good point to leave the classic stories, as I remember the next few years' worth of stories printed in the Transformers comic and don't rate them as highly, nor did I much care for the UK Action Force stories or the US stories I read around the time of the TF: G2 crossover.
I now await Phil to tell me I'm wrong and that there's something unmissable that I'm missing.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 1, 2013 19:36:04 GMT
Half way through Order of Battle and enjoying it immensely, but noticing some anomalies... a few of the original Joe team are missing (Clutch, Grand Slam - the latter also being missing from the Field Manuals) as are Ripper the Dreadnok and Sgt Slaughter (no great loss, he annoyed me greatly in the comics), Cobra Commander is listed under "E" for "Enemy Leader", Duke has rank O-8 rather than E-8 (I think the Field Manual gets it right), the W.H.A.L.E. is listed simply as "Hovercraft" and a lot of characters' file names are listed as "Classified" when they are given in full in the Field Manuals.
Hmmm, despite the absence of Sgt. Slaughter, there are some guys included who I haven't heard of before called Sgt. Slaughter's Renegades!
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 1, 2013 20:19:03 GMT
www.yojoe.com/comics/oob/oobtpb.shtml notes that Sgt Slaughter is missing, as well as the RAM and Rocky. I noticed Clutch, but not Grand Slam, and was going to check the rest. I had spotted Thunder and Mainframe were missing and the eel had the wrong uniform.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 1, 2013 20:30:27 GMT
It seems that Clutch, Grand Slam, Mainframe and Ripper were missing from the original issues too.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 2, 2013 8:36:41 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 2, 2013 9:03:33 GMT
I'm wondering how much the choices of the initial UK igure assortment affected the Uk AF comic and it's choice of US strips/ use of non UK Characters in UK strips?
The first strip published in TFs is a solid one for the Joes, but has the Baroness, Dr Mindbender and the Bats in opposition. Then in the comic we get Haek, Beachhead, Stalker and no Cobra in the first to issues US STRIP, then the Baroness and Wild Weasel, then the Baroness again! with all the Sea joes: Torpedo, Deep Six and Wet Suit none of which were available in the UK....
I suspect the problem lies with Hasbro's choices so I,ll go to the toy thread to comment and link there.....
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