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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 23, 2020 16:48:41 GMT
I have voted for ones were autonomy is stripped rather than were physical power is acquired.
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Post by Benn on Jan 23, 2020 17:43:22 GMT
I have voted for Mindwipe because I helped colour that story.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 23, 2020 18:00:19 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 9:18:03 GMT
Has to be Space Dreadnought. A planet weapon. Conquer the Galaxy etc etc. Gotta be.
I assume it would have some kind of FTL capability, otherwise... conquering the galaxy would be very slow...
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 25, 2020 9:31:27 GMT
They are machines that live millions of years (at least). I'm not sure if they would need ftl.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 10:49:36 GMT
But of course they would! It's no good conquering one chunk of the galaxy, tootling off at sub-light velocity to conquer another chunk, coming back to the first bit after a few thousand years, and they've freed themselves or sumat! It's just too slow! Maintaining a galactic-wide empire at sub-light speeds is is is RIDICULOUS!
What kind of a scientist are you?!?!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 25, 2020 11:06:30 GMT
The thinking kind.
Expand your mind, Ieo.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 25, 2020 11:25:00 GMT
It would be interesting to understand a bit more about Megatron's original ambitions in the comic. Apparently they were ignorant of carbon-based life-forms before they crashed on Earth, so who exactly did Megatron think was out there in space, waiting for him to come and conquer them? Did he think there were other robots out there? If so, what made him so confident that they were all inferior to Cybertronians? What made him so confident that he could beat the entire Galaxy? Was he planning to exterminate other life-forms or enslave them? And then do what exactly? Or did he just not think that far ahead?
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 11:47:24 GMT
The thinking kind. Expand your mind, Ieo. I don't know what that means!!! What's 'Ieo'?!?! Internal Earth Object? Initial Exchange Offer? International English Olympiad? Independent Evaluation Office? Institution of European Orangutans?! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 25, 2020 12:48:11 GMT
It's a play on words from The Matrix and your real name.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 25, 2020 13:15:47 GMT
And thus was born another Shockprowl personality.
I wonder how many there are now.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 25, 2020 13:25:08 GMT
"We are Legion, because we are many!"
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 18:18:30 GMT
It's a play on words from The Matrix and your real name. I... What? |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 18:18:49 GMT
And thus was born another Shockprowl personality. I wonder how many there are now. *Dribbles* |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 18:21:07 GMT
ANYWAY!
YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN A GALAXY-WIDE EMPIRE WITHOUT F.T.L. TRAVEL!!!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 25, 2020 18:25:29 GMT
Show your workings.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 25, 2020 23:16:15 GMT
ANYWAY! YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN A GALAXY-WIDE EMPIRE WITHOUT F.T.L. TRAVEL!!!Been done in novels. -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 25, 2020 23:16:47 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2020 23:26:47 GMT
What?!?! Nonesene! None. Sense!
Which novels?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 26, 2020 6:37:09 GMT
ANYWAY! YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN A GALAXY-WIDE EMPIRE WITHOUT F.T.L. TRAVEL!!!Shockprowl is partly right. Yes, it's been done in novels in a universe where _nobody_ had FTL travel. But I don't think it could be done in a universe where some of the people you're trying to conquer and rule _do_ have FTL and you don't. FTL travel does exist in the Marvel TF universe. And as a consequence, Cybertron would be ineffective as a Cosmic Dreadnought if it didn't have it. But Unicron clearly had it, so I don't see that it would be against the laws of TF-universe physics for Cybertron to have it. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 30, 2020 6:43:58 GMT
The Hub has decided that Galvatron's God Volcano is the finest example of Evil Science in Marvel Transformers comics.
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 30, 2020 7:12:27 GMT
Thinking on the ftl/non-ftl thing I'm not sure if my ships having ftl drives reassures me when a Saturn-sized warship slowly enters my solar system under its own power with the intent to conquer me and suck my planet dry of resources.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 30, 2020 7:30:23 GMT
I suppose, but after you've had FTL for a long time, will you still be dependent on a single planet? And won't your FTL scouts detect Cybertron coming decades, maybe centuries in advance?
The main problem I see with the Cosmic Dreadnought is, how does it maintain control of the Galaxy when it can only be in one place at a time? What does it do when the people running away from it split up and go off in a hundred different directions?
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 30, 2020 8:09:39 GMT
Takes the resources on the planet it is approaching unopposed?
Cyberforms it into another cosmic Dreadnaught etc?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 30, 2020 18:11:34 GMT
Takes the resources on the planet it is approaching unopposed? Cyberforms it into another cosmic Dreadnaught etc? If all you want are the resources of uninhabited planets, there are plenty out there. But if you're deliberately targeting inhabited planets, presumably you care about dominating other life-forms rather than just conquering lumps of rock. And I suggest it's hard to dominate someone who has FTL when you don't. If you don't have FTL and the rest of the Galaxy wants a thousand years without being bothered by you, they just all relocate to outside a 1,000-light-year radius of wherever you are, and leave you to it. This relocation can be nice and gradual for almost all concerned, since after your first act of aggression against a race possessing FTL, everyone will know all about you. Then they monitor your movements and keep clear. That's your best-case scenario. More realistic is they use their FTL technology to amass sufficient forces to rub you out. It shouldn't take much - attach FTL to a bunch of missiles and rocks and pelt you with them from a safe distance until you're a cloud of space dust. Martin |
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