Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 3, 2020 17:42:30 GMT
Wow, quite pleasantly surprised by these results so far. Everyone who has voted so far considers most or all TFUK backup strips to be part of the TFUK saga. Three of us draw the line at only including Joe, mainstream Marvel and toy-based strips in our head-canon, but the majority go so far as to include even the likes of Spitfire & the Troubleshooters and Planet Terry.
Little is known about this goblin beyond its dual role as an offensive weapon and teapot.
Nothing against Spitfire but it was part of the New Universe and separate from the mainstream Marvel U
But so are GI Joe
Joe isn't part of the New Universe, when they were both declared non-canon they moved from 616. However GI Joe is in the same universe as TF who are in the same universe as Spider-Man, The Savage Land and SHIELD. None of these in the New Universe.
Basically the vs GI Joe limited series is one almighty F*** up based on what had gone before and probably should be treated in the same way as the Marvel/DC comics as an anomaly. GI Jo does not exist in the Marvel Universe
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 4, 2020 6:34:24 GMT
Phil, I think the problem with this discussion is defining the question.
If you're principally interested in the question of "What's officially in and out of the Marvel superheroes universe?" then the correct answer might be the official Marvel 616 answer, i.e. TFs and G.I. Joe do not happen.
If you're principally interested in the question of "What's officially in and out of the Marvel G.I. Joe universe?" then the correct answer might be that there are no or very few superheroes and supervillains in it. (Ninjas, Zartan, etc.) But Transformers are in it because regardless of the 4-issue mini-series they're in issues #138-142, the G2 crossover issues. However, that doesn't mean all TF comics are in it, so they could exclude Spider-Man, SHIELD, the Neo-Knights, the destruction of San Francisco in G2, etc. if they don't want it in Joe canon. But there are definitely TFs.
But if you're principally interested in the question of "What's officially in and out of the Marvel TFUK universe?" then the correct answer must be that _this_ universe includes Spider-Man, SHIELD, Godzilla, Dazzler, the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, the Savage Land, Death's Head, and Action Force / G.I. Joe, because they're all referred to in the TF series.
So even if the creators of Marvel superheroes and the creators of G.I. Joe hate it, there is an official Marvel universe, created by the creators of TFUK, which includes all those things together - and they can't erase that from publication history and take it away from people whose starting point of reference is Transformers.
The most conclusive piece of evidence that mainstream Marvel superhero comics are in the TF universe even if TF comics aren't in the mainstream Marvel universe is the footnote in TFUS #8 which says, quite blatantly, "By the way, events in this story precede Avengers #257."
I dunno if the universe defined by the Marvel TFUK comic has a 'number'?
(I suppose it would need multiple numbers, depending on which futures are included - the 'Another Time and Place' future, the Movie future(s), the Iron Man 2020 future, the Hercules: Prince of Power future, never mind the TFUS version with the G.I. Joe crossover mini-series rather than 'Ancient Relics' and the G2 future which maintains alignment with G.I. Joe...)
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 4, 2020 7:15:43 GMT
The thread linking stories in TFUK is really quite remarkable. Black-costumed Spidey moves from the TF story into an Iron Man 2020 story. Iron Man 2020 links to present-day Iron Man, and also Machine Man 2020, who links to the present-day Machine Man story which was an early TFUK backup strip. It doesn't require any gap-filling or fanfiction for a young reader to go, "Aha! They're all part of the same big story!"
What is left completely open for TFUK readers is just how many Marvel superheroes comics are 'in' Marvel TFUK continuity. We've got all the comics that appear in TFUK backup strips. We've got Secret Wars. We've got Avengers #257. Presumably we've got the Marvel Godzilla stories. Presumably we've got the Dazzler graphic novel marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Graphic_Novel_Vol_1_12 since it was on sale at the same time as TFUS #2, in which 'O' listened to a Dazzler song on his radio marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Vol_1_2 . Presumably we've got Secret Wars II since it features Circuit-Breaker and refers to the TF comic in a footnote.
And all those Marvel comics tie in with other Marvel comics. Where does one stop and draw the boundary of Marvel Transformers canon?