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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2019 20:04:30 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 14, 2019 20:05:39 GMT
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Post by drmick on Jan 14, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like her character at all. Neither of them!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2019 20:19:50 GMT
Thing is, between this show, Discovery, the Picard show and Lower Decks we will now have 4 concurrent new Trek shows of different flavours (5 if you count Short Treks). Not long ago we had hee haw. This is nice problem for the Star Trek fan to have.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jan 14, 2019 20:27:22 GMT
I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like her character at all. Neither of them! Don't worry, neither did I. I don't understand all the hype for the character (but I'm happy for people who are happy, I guess) |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 14, 2019 20:47:21 GMT
I didn't either. And found her acting to be extremely dull and lifeless while everyone else zipped with energy.
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Post by drmick on Jan 14, 2019 21:01:45 GMT
I have a very sordid theory as to why she is getting these roles (casting couch type logic).
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2019 21:13:53 GMT
Let's not get into that type of speculation, please. Thanks.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jan 14, 2019 22:46:58 GMT
I am not particularly fond of Section 31. I did not like those episodes of DS9, and did not like them being retconned into early timeline via Enterprise.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 4, 2020 16:33:37 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 4, 2020 17:42:11 GMT
This has been reported for a while though yet to be confirmed. Publically, S31 has yet to be greenlit beyond a pilot script.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 30, 2024 18:03:27 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 30, 2024 18:10:42 GMT
Thats taken over 5 years to start filming. Madness.
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Post by Toph on Jan 30, 2024 18:23:42 GMT
Well they didn't lie, did they. It started filming after Disco S2 wrapped.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 30, 2024 19:54:53 GMT
Originally announced as a TV series.
I'll believe this exists when I see it!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 30, 2024 20:26:56 GMT
Can't wait for her to have to face her past sins. Again.
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Post by Llama God on Feb 11, 2024 9:46:27 GMT
So cynical.
But not baselessly so.
In this house we're alwayws excited for more Michelle Yeoh content - and indeed it was her departure from Discovery that caused the Conjunx's interest in that show to drop. So we're excited for that. But also... are they actually going to show us a story we've not seen before? I don't have much hope. But we'll see.
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Post by legios on Feb 11, 2024 18:21:14 GMT
I love to see Michelle Yeoh in things, she is eminently watchable and has a discerning idea of the tone of whatever she happens to be in.
But I can't work out why (apart from, to keep an option in play on a really good actress until we figure out what to do with her) this project even exists. Why do I want a star trek project with the villains as its protagonists? In the same way as they tried very hard to bury the fact that Yeoh's second role on Discovery was a murderous facist and pretend she was just "the sarcastic one" - jetissoning any interesting drama that could have been found in that - the whole idea of this leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
There is a place for stories about shady, and extremely dodgy intelligence units trying to convince themselves (or not) that they are the good guys. (I mean, Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex is great, despite the fact that Section 9 are essentially an entirely out-of-control secret police who act without thought or regard to the rights of japanese citizens, let alone those of "foreigners"). But I'm not sure that it is a tone that really belongs in the Star Trek setting.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Feb 11, 2024 19:04:45 GMT
Honestly, the entire "You'll get sick and die if you're away from your universe" plot was silly and actually contradictory to things we've seen before. Spock lived for years just fine in the kelvinverse.
If they wanted to take her off Discovery for her own project, or her contact for Disco was up or whatever, they could have made less convoluted explanations.
"No, I need to stay here. Find a way back to my universe, and maybe try to fix some of the things I've done. I can't do that wherever you're going. You and your incessant hope have been a bad influence on me, Daughter."
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 11, 2024 20:10:40 GMT
We try our best to ignore the Kelvin Universe!
You could make an argument that it was much worse for Georgiou cos she was further from her Universe's point of divergence having switched Universes then travelled into the future
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 11, 2024 21:30:54 GMT
I believe that was the exact excuse they used on screen.
Also Ive always interpreted the Mirrorverse as something different from a standard part of the multiverse. Like its whole point is that (prior to interference from the non mirror universe) it was running parrallel despite its differences. Like it makes no sense for the DS9 crew to largely be present on the Mirror DS9 after establishing that events had so massively diverged. But somehow the mirrorverse is forced to well mirror the regular universe as far as it is possible.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 11, 2024 23:19:27 GMT
I love the Mirror Universe even though it is very very silly and makes no sense whatsover.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Feb 11, 2024 23:28:25 GMT
I'm not fond of Mirror Universes in general.
The only Treks that did it well, I think are the trope creator TOS' Mirror, Mirror, and Discovery.
The entire concept is basically a "There, but for the grace of God, go I." The same person, but through slightly different upbringing, could be on a completely different moral compass. And how most people there are like this simply because of fear of those in power, and fear of those who want power, and act out of survival.
(I wasn't fond of Disco implying there's something about the universe that starts to make you like this if you're there too long, and likewise if they're in "our" universe long enough, they start to become nicer, so I choose to ignore this implication).
DS9 and Enterprise both go completely off the rails, with every actor trying to one up each other in a Campy Villain contest, with the writing being only interested in this angle, as well.
The comics for TNG and Voyager seem to go this route, too.
This is exactly why I hated FP's Shattered Glass. The writers didn't understand the original episode, and played exclusively to the tropes (flipside, IDW's SG is much closer to the core concept I feel).
...and I'm sorry, I've completely derailed my own brain and have no idea where I was going with any of this.
Even worse is now I'm actively constructing a Shattered Glass universe that would appeal to me.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 11, 2024 23:30:47 GMT
Couldn't stand the DS9 version. LOVED the Enterprise one.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 12, 2024 9:22:32 GMT
Enjoyed the DS9 mirror universe stuff, precisely because it went ridiculous, because aside from the TOS one, it was ridiculous.
A TF Shattered Glass would be an easy one to do, you don't flip the bots and cons. Optimus's TFU bio gives you the opportunity to diverge, when it talks about his compassion. You just have an Optimus Prime that has been hardened by war and becomes and ends justifies the means character and there's your gateway to a more ruthless and bloody version of the Autobots. You get a few folks who don't fall in line as your resistance to it and away you go. If you are playing in Marvel UK timeline, you get this action tainting the Matrix...
Pick your point at where this happens and things diverge, when everywhere bar Iacon is done in, after he is revived on Earth, his return from Limbo, when he finds out Iacon is toast, Afterdeath...
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Post by legios on Feb 12, 2024 18:09:02 GMT
The original Mirror Mirror makes sense, partly because it isn't predicated on a "reversal of good and evil" paradigm. Instead it is based on the idea of "what if instead of going to the stars in a spirit of wonder and exploration, the Enterprise was run on the 'I've got mine' logic of a pirate ship". It is a cut-throat world where you rise based on your ability to make allies by enriching your subordinates, and you keep that position as long as you keep the loot flowing. But show weakness, and cause your allies to doubt that you can keep the good times rolling, and they will switch their support to someone else and your reign will come to an end. It is a script about who the characters we know would be if they were raised in that kind of environment.
The DS9 version is the annual pantomime, and deliberately throws any logical construction out the window in a favour of giving the cast the opportunity to go nuts and just cut loose. So we get ultimate narcisist Kira Neryes, who thinks that alternate herself must be the best possible lay in the multiverse, BDSM Garak and Worf, Pirate Captain Sisko...and so on. The Enterprise version is...basically eighties US Soap Opera with laser guns. And the Discovery version is "what if instead of our guys it was Facists who went into space".
(And then there is the ST:Online version of the Mirror Universe which can best be described as "dysfunctional facist space-pirate, soap-opera" and basically exists to allow Chase Masterson and Mary Wiseman to be entertainingly sarcastic at us every few years)
Each series has its own conceptually different version of the Mirror Universe that reflects what the writers that created the stories wanted to do with it. It is entirely unsurprising that none of these have anything like the same feel, nor attempt any absolute consistency. That isn't the goal any more than it was the goal of Star Trek: Voyager to maintain absolute consistency with Star Trek or Star Trek: The Next Generation. (Witness The Next Generations addition of a World War III to its history, and Voyager's time-travel episodes conspicuously ignoring both that and Star Trek's Eugenics War(s)).
Different TV series, with different goals and different writers will inevitably tell different stories, even when using the same props.
Karl
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 12, 2024 18:16:17 GMT
Couldn't stand the DS9 version. LOVED the Enterprise one. We already knew you had mad ideas. |
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