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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2020 9:58:15 GMT
Part of the difficulty I've had with the Covid outbreak is trusting what is clean and what is dirty and thus knowing when to wash my hands. Part of this springs from not knowing what the carers touched in London and part of it is down to knowing how much I touch round the house for balance reasons. Bar a walk round the local streets for Liz early morning, doing the bins and venturing into the garden NONE of us are going out so the risks are minimal and we've got very good at handling items coming into the house. But the problem with the hand washing remains and needs dealing with. So I propose to write a list of when I should wash my hands. After I Go Out
After I handle stuff coming into the house
Before I prepare food or drink
Before I eat
Before I take my drugs
After I use the loo
After I touch the floor or my feet - my brain is worried about walking contamination round the house Any more ideas? Anything look unreasonable? |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 27, 2020 11:44:42 GMT
So long as you wash your hands after being out or handling anything brought into the house you're fine. That's all you need to do.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 27, 2020 12:33:40 GMT
The last one. Just take your shoes off when you come in before washing your hands.
Otherwise the rest are fine and I would think you'd be doing them normally anyway.
Anything you bought back from London won't be harbouring the virus now.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 27, 2020 12:37:55 GMT
We have been out in the garden barefoot from time to time. Mainly because getting my battle armour on takes so long. Bt no further than that
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 27, 2020 12:40:38 GMT
Washing up bowl of soapy water then for naked feet. Dip them in and out and you'll be fine.
Going into your own private garden is *extremely* low risk.
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 27, 2020 21:28:52 GMT
Yep, what Doc' 'n' M said.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 28, 2020 5:17:43 GMT
Anything you bought back from London won't be harbouring the virus now. Oh I know that, it's just that's where the idea of not knowing where the virus is has been planted in my mind. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 28, 2020 6:04:28 GMT
The rain is washing the outdoors clean today anyway.
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 28, 2020 7:36:57 GMT
Yep.
All is good.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2020 11:00:26 GMT
From last night....
What measures are people taking when takeaway comes into the house?
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Post by Pinwig on May 10, 2020 11:15:36 GMT
I'm taking the route that if I don't order any, I don't have to worry about it.
Post is left a day then carefully handled. The only area that causes problems is bringing in the weekly shopping. I can't disinfect everything so that's the one loophole we have.
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Post by Bogatan on May 10, 2020 11:40:51 GMT
Haphazard here Im afraid. Havent had take away for a while. It was pizza so box went straight in the bin.
Next time may zap the pizza in the microwave too.
I have a pack of wipes at the front door. Try to wipe all post down a it comes in.
Shopping mostly comes home with me from work so there are pros and cons to that. By then its already 8 hours or so since any cutomers could have touched it. Cant do much about the night staff handling it when they put it out, but I guess its a smaller pool than I'd be exposed to going shopping during the day.
Anything that can be is left in the bags for a day at least. The incinerator bin I got at the beginning of lockdown has been redeployed as the quarrantine bin. This has worked quite well.
Chilled and frozen are the problem, when I remember I try to wipe with antibacterial/viral wipes, but mostly Im relying on not taking them from the fridge/freezer till after the likely transmittable period has passed.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 10, 2020 12:29:51 GMT
From last night.... What measures are people taking when takeaway comes into the house? None, to be honest. As always, I leave it to the people who provide food to take proportionate hygiene measures. And that goes for shopping, post, etc. I know that occasionally they will fall short, but they're taking extra care at this time, and you can't eliminate all risk from life, and I know it harms health in other ways if you try too hard to do so. (I also think there's sense in the theory that the virus may be more harmful if you get it in a big dose than if you get it in a small dose, and that the body is more likely to be able to respond to and cope with a little bit of it transmitted via an object than a big dose of it from someone breathing into your face at close range for twenty minutes. I would be more scared by an infected person coughing into my face than I would be of a little bit of virus getting into me via something I've touched - because in the latter case the body has more time to start generating antibodies before it takes hold. In short, I strongly suspect that how you're infected affects how badly it affects you.) The possibility of harm to physical health mustn't be allowed to result in the certainty of harm to mental health! Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2020 12:39:31 GMT
Only had takeaway twice during the Current Situation. Both times I washed my hands taking the package in (delivery chap asked to leave it outside). Washed hands again straight after eating.
Local Five Guys is now doing a click and collect so we will do that next weekend and wash hands before and after. Utensils etc washed straight away.
As Martin says, it's impossible to eliminate every risk. I am very careful when shopping.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 10, 2020 12:50:56 GMT
I bring it in and dispense it on to plates without anything but the food touching the plates. Packaging immediately disposed of and hands then washed. As Martin says the takeaway will be keeping the correct procedures in place. If I have any doubt about that I don't order from them.
Post we leave on the doormat for 24 hours.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 10, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
My lockdown rules are simply: Work from home, try not to breathe on anyone or touch their skin, try not to let anyone breathe on you or touch you. The two-metre rule is a good guideline, but it's safer to walk close behind someone's back with your mouth closed than have a lengthy face-to-face argument with them at three metres distance. And that's it, really. You can get an infection at any time, it doesn't require a pandemic. And takeaways can shorten your life because they're not the healthiest of foods. Or a tree branch could hit you on the head. But it's still a healthy thing to go for a walk underneath trees.
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 10, 2020 12:52:21 GMT
From last night.... What measures are people taking when takeaway comes into the house? None, to be honest. As always, I leave it to the people who provide food to take proportionate hygiene measures. And that goes for shopping, post, etc. I know that occasionally they will fall short, but they're taking extra care at this time, and you can't eliminate all risk from life, and I know it harms health in other ways if you try too hard to do so. (I also think there's sense in the theory that the virus may be more harmful if you get it in a big dose than if you get it in a small dose, and that the body is more likely to be able to respond to and cope with a little bit of it transmitted via an object than a big dose of it from someone breathing into your face at close range for twenty minutes. I would be more scared by an infected person coughing into my face than I would be of a little bit of virus getting into me via something I've touched - because in the latter case the body has more time to start generating antibodies before it takes hold. In short, I strongly suspect that how you're infected affects how badly it affects you.) The possibility of harm to physical health mustn't be allowed to result in the certainty of harm to mental health! Martin These are very wise words 👆 |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 13, 2020 7:32:16 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 13, 2020 8:22:17 GMT
Wipe it down when it comes in. Stick it in the fridge/cupboard/freezer. Then wash you hands. If it can't be wiped down leave it in the bag or box it arrived in for 24hrs. Then store and use normally. Then wash your hands.
These are more than enough given the extreme unlikelihood of the virus being both on and surviving on food items when delivered.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 13, 2020 8:29:23 GMT
I'd agree with that government guidance, Phil, the risks of picking it up from food are very low.
I think the thing you should focus on is getting the virus risk in proportion to other risks, which are more likely to cause harm to people shielding themselves from the outside world - indoor air quality generally being poorer than outdoor (need to ensure good ventilation), lack of exercise, mental health, etc. The world outside is not dangerous as long as you keep your distance from other people, and even then remember that at any given time >99% of people out and about do not have it.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 13, 2020 9:01:27 GMT
I think the Grand Moff has summed it up brilliantly there.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2020 9:02:14 GMT
There is no need to quarantine food for 3 days.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 21, 2020 18:12:14 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 21, 2020 18:13:59 GMT
 -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 7, 2020 18:42:20 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 7, 2020 19:54:51 GMT
Yes interesting.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 7, 2020 20:01:40 GMT
This would be consistent with the 24hr rule many of us have been using.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2020 10:06:02 GMT
One of the things I want to use my trip to London for is to reset some of the habits I've developed down to levels in keeping with current knowledge and guidelines. It's a hard thing to change things you know are safe but, given what we now know about Covid's viability period as fomites vs it's survivability in fomites, aprox 3 days depending on surfaces, I think now is an ideal time for a reassessment.
So:
1) are people washing their shopping or leaving it for a few days when it comes into the house?
2) are people washing their post or leaving it for a few days when it comes into the house?
3) how are people handling takeaway packages?
Yes, I know I've asked before but I want to reassess what I'm doing ahead of returning home and hopefully place precautions at a sensible level. No intention of changing how I interact with people, as that's definitely the main source of transmission, though we've had to stretch there recently with J returning to educational groups, except to say I'm more open to having people come into the house for necessary tasks IE fixing the stair lift!
Thanks for your assistance.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 24, 2020 18:18:52 GMT
Honest answers for me:
1. No.
2. No.
3. Normally.
But I probably use hand sanitiser about 10 times a day, because I can't walk anywhere in the office without passing a dispenser, they're literally everywhere.
My personal no-no's are all about avoiding confined, poorly ventilated or overcrowded spaces, i.e. places where I feel I'm breathing in what other people are breathing out (whether face covering or no). Buses, taxis, shops with limited manoeuvrability and poor ventilation. Rightly or wrongly, those are the things I think will lead to me catching something. Small volume-of-air-to-number-of-people-breathing-it ratio - Martin avoid.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 24, 2020 21:09:36 GMT
All three I do normally, I just hand wash after putting food away or opening post. Takeaways are a rarity anyway. To me, the risk from the postman seems negligible compared to my working life.
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