You can't take this Soundwave and say it's 'pretty much' Sunbow.
It's a design of which Sunbow could been considered a simplified representation. I've never been one of those G1 fans who considers the level of detail on the comic and cartoon model sheets to be the photo-accurate level of detail that the characters they represent would have if they existed in the real world.
Yes, but that isn't what you said above. The point I made was that Shockprowl was excited by the prospect of these figures being SS86 ones, but they aren't. They're TF6 ones, which won't fit stylistically with the other SS86 figures. Those do follow the Sunbow character design style, so even if the Bumblebee movie versions look like more detailed versions of the Sunbow style (which they do, I agree), they won't look like ones designed for the SS86 line. Besides, some are totally different. A TF6 Brawn toy is not going to look anything like a Sunbow/Generations one would.
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 15:38:37 GMT
OK, fair enough. In my defence, I did say I'm not really following this thread and don't know what the SS86 line is. Just taking issue with the toys of the characters from the Bumblebee movie being lumped in as 'Bayverse' designs. I'd say they are 'pretty much' like Sunbow when compared with Soundwave and co. appearing in Michael Bay's movies. I can't comment on how they compare with other G1-inspired toy lines, which I'm sure will be more Sunbow-accurate.
Little is known about this goblin beyond its dual role as an offensive weapon and teapot.
If forced to pick one, which of the following would you say was the robot you posted a picture of above?
Okay, I see the difference and I'd say it's closer to the Sunbow one, but it isn't Sunbow and toys based on it wouldn't look right to me with the SS86/Generations ones. Which is the point I was originally making to Shockprowl. Earthrise Soundwave is the right look, TF6 Soundwave isn't.
OK, fair enough. In my defence, I did say I'm not really following this thread and don't know what the SS86 line is.
It's a Studio Series sub-line that has 1986 movie characters in a style close to/interchangeable with the current Generations look. They are as Sunbow looking as Generations figures have come. Like these:
Just taking issue with the toys of the characters from the Bumblebee movie being lumped in as 'Bayverse' designs. I'd say they are 'pretty much' like Sunbow when compared with Soundwave and co. appearing in Michael Bay's movies. I can't comment on how they compare with other G1-inspired toy lines, which I'm sure will be more Sunbow-accurate.
Closer to G1 than Bayverse perhaps with some of the characters as you've shown, but not close enough to be 'pretty much' to me, but then everyone's perceptions are different.
Bumblebee was intended as a prequel to TF1, but the decision to reboot instead came about half way through. It was also a much smaller movie, with I believe Bee, Blitz, Shatter, and Dropkick being the only transformers in it. As such those four do share a much stronger similarly to the bayverse design. Dropkick and Shatter being the strongest, with Bee being the weakest.
But the cybertron stuff was added at the 11th hour thanks to an unexpected budget increase, and well after the decision was made to remove it from bayverse. Those designs do not even remotely look Bayish. They look like the classic G1 designs in a real life setting, to me.
Besides, some are totally different. A TF6 Brawn toy is not going to look anything like a Sunbow/Generations one would.
Well, the film only showed us those characters on Cybertron. Bumblebee's robot mode changed every time he got a new vehicle mode - as TFs' robot modes always should. Presumably Brawn's robot mode would change if he got an Earth vehicle mode in a live-action film.
Not sure Sunbow ever showed us Brawn pre-Earth-mode. Though it did make everyone else's Cybertronian robot forms identical to their Earth robot forms. Which was silly.
Yes, we're talking about their potential earth modes though. That does raise an interesting point though, if that Cybertron scene was a last minute addition, did the characters have alt modes designed? The stuff ILM released only has Bumblebee, Prime and the Tetrajet form. In the notes it says all these characters we're talking about were based off Bumblebee with bits added on. Maybe it was so rushed they didn't design alt modes, which begs the question what these toys will actually turn into.
These guys were all in the Cybertron set opening. I assume they have alt modes in the concept art or something.
As I understand it (and I don't have the time to read through that article Pinwig linked - sorry Pins!) the majority of the secondary characters didn't, since they were a last minute addition. A lot of the characters were also basically "re-skins" or slight reworkings of the same character frames, since they didn't have the time to build them all from scratch - this is why a lot of the characters have the same stocky frame and thicc thighs. As a consequence I don't think that they all had alt modes designed - although you never know, there may have been some thought given to it.
All the same, I'm looking forward to these figures because I really like that half-cartoon, half-Bayverse look that those characters have in that scene. (As someone said up-thread, it's what you'd expect the cartoon designs to actually look like in real life.) So I'm excited for this, and hope that we get more than Brawn.
I'd also say that I'm hoping that the TF6 Soundwave comes with a transforming converting Ravage, mostly because I can't afford that really expensive statue that has the Ravage. But given how Wheelie and Daniel have been handled in the SS line I'm not holding out much hope...
Wow. No kidding. that was just unpleasant to read.
Never really got the love for the Cybertronian scene. Its nice enough but feels like a cartoon (which I know it is). It doesnt work right. The physics feel wrong. Its Pacific Rim 2 instead of Pacific Rim.
At least the piece explains why all the bots had that thick thighed slightly squat look to them. Not a fan of the look on too many of them. Brawn, Ironhide and ravage I like a lot. Wheeljack and Soundwave not so much.
And Im certain (as Ive said before) that many of the Bay haters who love these designs would have spat their dummies out just as they did in 2007 if they had got these then.
I would like to have seen the design in a live action setting though. Just to see if they worked or if as was the justification in 07 they would look too much like video game characters. I kind of lean towards agreeing with that view, but would like to see it for myself. Maybe with more time and money they would work.
It's all about the faces. Wheeljack is my fave of those as he never had a blocky smiling relatable face. All the others with their lines and weird eyes just don't do it for me. That said, the Arcee works. But I won't be buying any of these.