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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 17, 2020 22:32:29 GMT
It's a car crash of the highest order with too many competing goals and failing to meet any. It should have been EITHER blue and the 90s style jet OR black & a Blackbird. Trying to merge both was not a good idea.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 17, 2020 22:33:44 GMT
And those air intakes..... oh dear!
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 17, 2020 22:35:26 GMT
But he does have a nice smile.
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 17, 2020 22:45:31 GMT
He looks a bit like Blue Baachus, around the face.
Crossed with ROTF Jetfire.
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Post by Llama God on Nov 17, 2020 22:49:45 GMT
It's not for me, but to me it looks like they made more effort than they did with Maverick. I like it, but not enough to buy it.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 18, 2020 7:07:05 GMT
I think it is hilarious though have no desire to own it.
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Nov 18, 2020 9:08:08 GMT
It looks much more exciting than I assumed it would be.
It's strange though, how much the packaging influences things. I love the retro TF packaging with Electron and the the BTTF one. Going 90's X-Men packaging isnt wrong by any means, but I do now just see this as an X-Men toy jet that turns into a robot, rather than a Transformer that turns into the Ecto-1 or BTTF car.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 18, 2020 13:39:14 GMT
Is Xpanse a retool of SS Leader Jetfire? |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 18, 2020 13:56:59 GMT
I don't think so.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 18, 2020 14:15:44 GMT
I don't think there's much in there but look at the rectangular (ish) wings on the back of both robots: same shape, same grid detailing on the side facing us.
The top of the jet mode - between the engines and behind the neck - looks identical
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Post by Jim on Nov 18, 2020 14:52:32 GMT
Yes, I think so too. It looks like there's some parts reuse and a very similar transformation scheme, and comparing the two I can imagine they started out with Jetfire and figured out how to get to a more traditional bot from that.
At first glance I thought the legs were radically different, but they possibly just transform the other way around to give more traditional knees, if you see what I mean.
Interesting!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 18, 2020 20:02:58 GMT
I'd argue it's more a case of they both have a similar starting point in terms of alt mode than any kind of retool.
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Post by Jim on Nov 18, 2020 21:10:22 GMT
I am hesitant to use the word retool, as I'm not sure where you draw the line (or even if the word has much meaning anymore), but between sharing parts and apparently sharing most of the transformation I think the two moulds are very closely related. Moreso than G2 Smokescreen / Energon Starscream as in their case there wasn't any part reuse.
I'd love to get some insight into how it was designed!
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Post by browny87 on Nov 18, 2020 21:21:08 GMT
when i heard xmen i really wanted it, but this im unsure of, i think if i wait for a sale i should pick one up
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 18, 2020 21:42:07 GMT
Phils right definitly the same top of the jet mode. Tail fins too.
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 18, 2020 21:47:58 GMT
Hasbro are fond of this term 'partial' these days. It seems to me that covers shared use of the engineering skeleton but with completely new parts and sometimes engineering changes too, like I think we've seen with Wheeljack and Sunstreaker?
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 18, 2020 21:58:13 GMT
Yeah I cant see anything beyond the main shell of the jet. There may be some skeletal bits remaining inside, but it looks like a brand new robot, admittedly one trapped within the limitations of ROTF Jetfire silhouette.
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Post by Jim on Nov 19, 2020 11:41:34 GMT
I think that describes it well! There are the obvious shared parts, and if you squint enough to abstract both figures I think they fit the same general transformation scheme with the main difference being in the legs. Which thinking about it, might not be so different either at a high enough level of abstraction.
I'm tempted to get hold of both just as an exercise in examining this.
(I hadn't paid any attention to SS Jetfire before this, he does actually look really good)
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 19, 2020 22:40:11 GMT
Hadn't spotted in the PR this is $65 due next March. Target, GameStop & Pulse.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 7, 2020 18:41:56 GMT
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Post by Benn on Dec 7, 2020 18:45:39 GMT
Jeez, how big is it? Siege Jetfire size?
Well, outta my price for a bit of tat.
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Post by Toph on Dec 7, 2020 21:29:42 GMT
It's leader class, and is the same size as Studio Series Jetfire.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 7, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
And already out of stock.
Never mind then. Next!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 7, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
It's Transformers in 2020. Of course it's out of stock within 3 hours. I remember the olden days when you could get toys for...years!!!!
£70. Wow. Er. I thought it would be £50, like the Top Gun one. I was wrong.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 7, 2020 22:51:56 GMT
Kinda disappointing to see this listed by Kapow as import, must mean Hasbro UK aren't doing this one. If it was orderable I'd bite because I quite like the robot, but I'm not getting upset about it.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 7, 2020 23:10:21 GMT
I'll wait to see if someone else other than Kapow gets it.
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Post by browny87 on Dec 8, 2020 15:46:27 GMT
i would probably bite at £30-40 but of all the recent crossovers ecto-1 still looks the best
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 11, 2021 19:34:51 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 11, 2021 21:36:43 GMT
This is ridiculous if it was in G1 packaging or G2 like the FOC Bruticus, I'd be all over it.
But instead its in a.... is it a generic design or did the toybiz x-men come in similar packaging? Either way my brain tells me its an X-Men toy and I dont want it.
I blame all the earlier crossover lines that were very much the other brands toys with a Transformers gimmick. They trained my brain if it says Transformers on the box but is otherwise clearly branded as another line its not Transformers and its not going to be very good.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 11, 2021 21:41:37 GMT
I'm oddly drawn to it but I can't work out why. I'm not sure I'm 75 quid drawn to it though.
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