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Post by Jim on Mar 20, 2019 21:59:38 GMT
12 would be very welcome, but I'd also be happy to see them start getting into Kaminski's run with 17. Didn't Mantlo also have a run somewhere around 100? I've never heard any opinion of it one way or the other, mind...
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 20, 2019 22:07:21 GMT
Think they will hold the Kaminski run back a bit, at least the first one collection as that will have War Machine's debut and I think there's an in print collection of that still available.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 20, 2019 22:22:50 GMT
2008, long OOP. Contains 281-291 The next volume after this big run takes them into Operation Galactic Storm. Big question there is how much will be reprinted. The answer for Cap looks like most of it.... next Iron Man volume can't be identical to Avengers OGS as there's an annual - 12 - to be fitted in first. www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/series.php?seriesid=3989&page=galleryWe've no later volumes to make contents guesses by, unlike Cap, Thor & FF who all have their final pre Onslaught volumes out already.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 20, 2019 22:31:05 GMT
2008?!
Fuck where does the time go.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 8:52:24 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 9:44:27 GMT
Power Man & Iron Fist - v3 (90-106? ish?, MTIO 94) Not been a volume of this since 2016! that guess was close, but when you're splitting 36 issues, including 2 doubles, in two you ain't going to go far wrong. Shame not get that MTIO as there is obviously some space, I make that 18 issues of content. PMIF 100 is one of my favourite comics ever.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 21, 2019 10:09:44 GMT
More Epic News: X-Factor v8 - 84-100, annual 8, skips Xcutioner song issues of other titles. POWER MAN AND IRON FIST V3! 90-107, which means v4 will be 108-125. Full info when home and in front of PC I remember PAD being very salty about that crossover, and how little X-Factor was given to do in it. Still it does have Issue 87 - probably one of the finest single issues ever and the Marvel debut of Joe Quesada. Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 10:53:23 GMT
Some very good stuff in here.
I would have preferred v2 for X-Factor this year but this would be second choice. Like v1 the PAD stuff has been relatively recently reprinted.
I think we might be getting that PMIF trade instead of Defenders this year. PMIF had an August slot for the two years it was released, which was then taken by Defenders. That slot looks to have been bumped to December by an early X trade this year, and PMIF returns in it which I'm rather happy about. But I do want that last Defenders volume soon.
Now most of 2019 is known - still a few gaps: I'm still anticipating early Thor and Doctor Strange - you can see some patterns. Two by Ms Marvel appears to have bumped the early Avengers and Captain America volumes.
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Post by Jim on Mar 21, 2019 11:48:01 GMT
2008, long OOP. Contains 281-291 The next volume after this big run takes them into Operation Galactic Storm. Big question there is how much will be reprinted. The answer for Cap looks like most of it.... next Iron Man volume can't be identical to Avengers OGS as there's an annual - 12 - to be fitted in first. www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/series.php?seriesid=3989&page=galleryWe've no later volumes to make contents guesses by, unlike Cap, Thor & FF who all have their final pre Onslaught volumes out already. IIRC while Galactic Storm affects Iron Man's standing in the Avengers the knock-on effects to his own title were less than for Cap (for obvious reasons given what came next), so we may only get the two issues. Volume 17 will almost certainly be called "The Death of Tony Stark" and use that cover won't it? I wonder what we'll get from *shudder* The Crossing in the latter Iron Man volumes? That one certainly had a very big impact on his title...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 12:27:44 GMT
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Post by Jim on Mar 21, 2019 13:22:35 GMT
Both interesting volumes!
The Triumph and Torment trade they released a few years back had awful reproduction, if they do a better job in the Epic I'd be tempted. It's a good story with great art that was originally released over-sized and deserves better.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 13:56:15 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 16:02:35 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 16:06:28 GMT
2008, long OOP. Contains 281-291 The next volume after this big run takes them into Operation Galactic Storm. Big question there is how much will be reprinted. The answer for Cap looks like most of it.... next Iron Man volume can't be identical to Avengers OGS as there's an annual - 12 - to be fitted in first. www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/series.php?seriesid=3989&page=galleryWe've no later volumes to make contents guesses by, unlike Cap, Thor & FF who all have their final pre Onslaught volumes out already. IIRC while Galactic Storm affects Iron Man's standing in the Avengers the knock-on effects to his own title were less than for Cap (for obvious reasons given what came next), so we may only get the two issues. Volume 17 will almost certainly be called "The Death of Tony Stark" and use that cover won't it? I wonder what we'll get from *shudder* The Crossing in the latter Iron Man volumes? That one certainly had a very big impact on his title... The X-Factor volume has shown us an interesting treatment of crossovers today by ignoring them! The Crossing I did some thinking on a while back for Avengers.... tmukhub.proboards.com/post/330577/thread
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Post by Jim on Mar 21, 2019 17:39:07 GMT
I did not! Excellent news about PM/IF, really enjoyed the previous epics.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 17:43:34 GMT
The story leading to 100 is good, and 100 itself is fab. Near perfect anniversary issue which does a brilliant job of ending a story without you needing to have read the rest and managed to retell both leads origins *AND* include foes from both leads' rogues galleries.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2019 23:21:54 GMT
This makes the overall picture for X-Factor look a lot clearer. v9: 101-113, Annual 9, X-Force 38 & Excalibur 82 106 is double sized and leads into the X-Force and Excalibur issues of Phalanx Covenant. 20 issues worth v10: 114-132. 125 is double sized. 124-126 are the sort of stand alone X-Factor/Onslaught thread. 20 issues, but there might be some scope for more Onslaught v11: 133-149, -1 No double sized issues. 18 issues total so you could bounce some from 10 to 11 to make room for Onslaught. Either way X-Factor looks 11 volumes. www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/series.php?seriesid=4068&page=gallery
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 22, 2019 0:36:45 GMT
82 is the issue involving The Scorpion so I think this looks like 64-82 + IM 35 & 36
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 6:32:37 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 6:57:41 GMT
Also noticed that the Collection Obsession does not collect what I thought it did, and only goes up to the beginning of that arc with the new Swordsman etc. so I'll have to wait a bit longer... Next book above!
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2019 9:21:42 GMT
Nice!
I just finished the Cap epic which contains the start of the Englehart run. It's amazing how it upticks in quality the moment he comes on board. Not exactly bad before that, some issues are quite good, but nothing that really sticks in the mind. Brilliant issue co-written with Gerber in there as well. Looking forward to vol 5.
In stark contrast I am seriously struggling with the Daredevil Root of Evil epic. Starts ok with a mediocre Greg Wright story enlivened by really nice Tom Grindberg art, then falls off a cliff with a Chichester / McDaniel Elektra mini.
I mean, I _loved_ Fall From Grace / Tree of Knowledge, they were mad and interesting and energetic. This is just a mess, and McDaniel isn't even putting in as interesting art. And I think that's pretty much it for the Chichester run, the next few issues have the famous Alan Smithee credit, which ISTR is Chichester with rewrites after he got dumped from the book, and flicking through it the art doesn't look up to much. I might actually bail on this.
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2019 9:24:24 GMT
Tempted by that X-Force volume as well, I don't think the premiere HCs collected quite as much of the crossover. And I have fond memories of the Cable 2 issue mini as well, great JRJR art as I recall.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 10:49:04 GMT
The Hardcovers skipped the crossover entirely!
The Cable series is fab, yes in JRjr. Will check when it was in relation to other volumes
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 12:09:48 GMT
Blood & Metal 1 came out August 1992 same month as X-Force 15. So this is a reasonable place for it. www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/newsstand.php?publisher=marvel&type=calendar&month=8&year=1992&sort=alphaX-Force & Cable HC & Trade contents Trade | Cable | X-Force | Cable Classics 1 | 1-4 | | Cable Classics 2 | 5-14 | | Cable Classics 3 | 15-20 | | X-Force A Force to be Reckoned with | | 1-4 | X-Force Under The Gun | | 5-15 | X-Cutioner's Song | | 16-18 | X-Force Assault on Greymalkin | | 19-25 | X-Force Toy Soldiers | | 26-31 | X-Force Child's Play | | 32-37 | Cable & X-Force Classics 1 | 21-28 | 44-48 | Cable & X-Force: Road to Onslaught | 29-31 | 49-56 | - | | | Cable: Hellfire Hunt | 48-58 | | Cable: Nemesis Contract | 59-70 | |
Then there's the X-Force issues in those trades, 44-56. Again, do I need those? I suspect not as at some point they'll be Epic Collectioned given there's an X-Force v1 and I'm not in a rush to read them. Investigation shows the X-Force issues above dove tail nicely with X-Force HCs. But I bailed on them with 4 volumes unbought and that ain't going to be cheap to buy. So I think I can resist on that front..... EDIT: Phil 57K
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2019 12:16:43 GMT
The Hardcovers skipped the crossover entirely! Ah, I just checked, and yes they are missing 16-18! Maybe I thought they hadn't because New Warriors 31 is included in one of them. That makes it all the more tempting then!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 12:34:07 GMT
The HC contents are probably worth a look at for working out future Epics Volume | X-Force | Annuals | Extras | Assault on Graymalkin | 19–25 | | New Warriors 31 | Toy Soldiers | 26–31 | 2 | Nomad 20 | Child's Play | 32–37 | 3 | New Warriors 44–46 | Phalanx Covenant | 38–43 | | X-Factor 106, Excalibur 82 |
Their Fatal Attractions issues 25 is double sized but stand alone Their Phalanx issue is #38: 36 pages and crosses into the X-Factor & Excalibur issues listed.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 12:35:52 GMT
Here was my thoughts on Avengers Epics. Obviously this has all gone out the window now, had no expectation of Epic 24 being so short. I'll have a crack at another go later, but IIRC I had plenty of issues spare which could be used by more Onslaught The Marvel Wikia page for The Crossing made me think it was five Avengers issues and a special. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/The_CrossingAvengers: The Croassing Avengers #391 Avengers #392 Avengers #393 Avengers #394 Avengers #395 Then I started digging and found a list here: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_Vol_1_325Prelude I: Iron Man #319 Prelude II: Avengers #390 Part I: Avengers:The Crossing Part II: Iron Man #320 Part III: Force Works #16 Part IV: Avengers #391 Part V: Iron Man #321 Part VI: Force Works #17 Part VII: War Machine #20 Part VIII: Avengers #392 Part IX: Iron Man #322 Part X: Force Works #18 Part XI: War Machine #21 Part XII: Iron Man #323 Part XIII: Avengers #393 Part XIV: Force Works #19 Part XV: War Machine #22 Part XVI: Iron Man #324 Part XVII: Force Works #20 Part XVIII: Avengers #394 Part XIX: Avengers: Timeslide Part XX: War Machine #23 Part XXI: Iron Man #325 Part XXII: Avengers #395 Aftermath: Age of Innocence - The Rebirth of Iron Man Avengers runs to 403, so 3ish more Epics to go to the end. Here's my best guest: EPIC | ISSUES | ANNUAL | EXTRAS & NOTES | 24 | 360-369 | 22 | X-Men 26 Avengers West Coast 101-102 Uncanny X-Men 307 | 25 | 370-388 | 23 | | 26 | 391-404 | | The Crossing 1 Captain America 449 Thor #496 Iron Man #326 Onslaught Marvel Universe |
We've got Bloodties, The Crossing, First Sign & Onslaught in there, is there anything else in that time period The Avengers are involved in? Ah. May have under-estimated the size of The Crossing! EPIC | ISSUES | ANNUAL | EXTRAS | 24 | 367-372 | 22 | X-Men 26, Avengers West Coast 101, Uncanny X-Men 307 & Avengers West Coast 102 | 25 | 373-388 | 23 | Cap 440 & 441 | 26 | 389-394 | | Iron Man 319-323, Avengers: The Crossing, Force Works 16-19, War Machine 20-22 | 27 | 395-403 | | Iron Man 324-326, Force Works 20, War Machine 23, Avengers: Timeslide, Age of Innocence - The Rebirth of Iron Man, Captain America 449, Thor 496, Onslaught:Marvel Universe |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 13:27:59 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 24, 2019 17:12:31 GMT
Avengers: Crossing starts in v26 and continues to end of v27 v28: starts with First Sign. Onslaught then sets in and as luck woyuld have it the Onslaught issues The Avengers appear in brings the trade up to the right number! Epic | Avengers | Extras | 25 | 367-378 | Annual 23, X-Men #26 Avengers West Coast #101 Uncanny X-Men #307, WCA 102 | 26 | 379-391 | Taking Aim: Cap 440 & 441, Iron Man #319 (Crossing Prelude), Avengers: The Crossing, Iron Man #320 & Force Works #16 | 27 | 392-395 | Iron Man #321, Force Works #17 & War Machine #20, Iron Man #322, Force Works #18 & War Machine #21, Iron Man #323, Force Works #19 & War Machine #22, Iron Man #324, Force Works #20 & War Machine #23 Iron Man #325, Avengers: Timeslide & Age of Innocence - The Rebirth of Iron Man | 28 | 396-402 | First Sign: Captain America 449, Thor #496 & Iron Man #326, Onslaught: Onslaught X-Men, FF 414 & 415, Uncanny 335 & 336, X-Men 55, Hulk 445, Onslaught Marvel Universe |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 24, 2019 17:26:40 GMT
Onslaught was not good.
-Ralph
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