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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 1, 2009 20:49:24 GMT
I've been thinking about this. About the Thunderbolts now being outright villains rather than those trying to redeem themselves. About how Juggernaut, like Magneto before him, has gone back to his evil ways. How everyone remembers Hank Pym for beating his wife and not for the stuff done to redeem him in West Coast Avengers by Englehart & Byrne.
Which makes me think. What sort of story do you prefer ? One where the character is redeemed (juggernaut in Austin's X-Men, Magneto c UXM 200, Pym in WCA, first version Thunderbolts) or one where the character falls and becomes/reverts back to a bad guy/evil role ?
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 2, 2009 19:33:05 GMT
Very much depends on the storyline, to be honest. Dont have a preference for either particular type of story.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 5, 2009 21:26:29 GMT
The redemption aspect is generally the more emotionally satisfying aspect of the fall and rise due to it's feel good outcome, although the fall is quite often the more interesting part of the saga.
Andy
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Post by legios on Jan 5, 2009 22:36:37 GMT
I'd have to side with Ralph on this one. A well-crafted tale of a character who falls from grace can be as interesting to me as one who rises from the darkness. It depends on the telling of the tale as to how I feel about it. I am also find quite interesting the "grey area" type of characters - those who contain within themselves a certain amount of both heroism and villiany.
It is the story and how it is told, not the nature of the protagonist that determines whether it works for me or not.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 5, 2009 23:27:22 GMT
By and large I find fall from grace stories dispiriting *especially* those where someone else put in work to raise them up beforehand.
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Post by jameso on Jan 7, 2009 11:59:34 GMT
When the story goes bad character gets good and then goes evil again it's generally dispiriting, mainly because, in comicbook terms, it's down to the the new writer not bothering to read the redemption stuff, or lazy editorial decisions, or marketing deciding the character is more viable evil or some such non storytelling purpose. I'd suggest it's rare that the writer absolutely has a vital story to tell with the previously villainous character that requires them to re-fall.
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