WWE, AEW, TNA and other wrestling

[Hero]

Raw celebrated 15 years of Broadcast last night with a 3 hour long special and lots of guests and surprises.

Post your favourite RAW moments etc. Remind me I am also not the only wrestling viewer on here

===KEN

[Andy Turnbull]

All time favourite has to be Rock - This is Your Life with Mankind. Pretty much most of the best moments on Raw have been Rock-centric. From Jericho making his debut and interrupting him, to the stuff with the Hurricane when the Rock turned heel.

Andy

[Hero]

I liked all of DX's antics and Stone Cold's stuff.

===KEN

[Andy Turnbull]

Finally saw all of the 15th anniversary show.

Bastion Booger WTF?!

Can't believe how dead the crowds are to Y2J at the moment which is a shame. And once again the world sees that the most popular chap around is RVD, he got a monster pop. They really should resign him and get him on Smackdown. I know he has no chance on any show with Trips on it, so give him across there where he can be of some use.

Andy

[Hero]

Sadly the RVD appearance was a once off.

I'd be happy to see more DX stuff if feasable.

[KoshNaranek]

I actually hate DX, just not in to their toilet humour, and dislike Triple H in general. Bret Hart was my all time favourite RAW wrestler and unfortunately we all know how his story ended.

WWE can never admit to being wrong and it showed when they cut away from RVD as fast as they could.

Hogan has really aged and his segment with Khali looked so awkward.

Austin's interaction with McMahon was pretty funny.

Lita and Trish look as hot as ever and it was especially nice to see Lita getting a respectful sendoff considering the way she was treated when she left the company.

Edge and Orton are the two best heels in the promotion at the moment.

Jericho got a monster pop when he came back a few weeks ago but just isin't a mainn event wrestler.

I've lost all respect for Mr Kennedy ever since his comments about steroids earlier in the year as he was just publicly kissing Vince's ass. I just don't care about his character any more.

Just some of my random thoughts. I did enjoy the overall show, though as there was a great atmosphere all night and the flashbacks brought back some good memories. I really hope TNA or some other promotion can rise to national prominence in the next year or two as WWE really needs the competition to improve their act.

- Tony

[Andy Turnbull]

I'd disagree Jericho is a main event wrestler he's just suffered from being buried several times and that viral campaign went on far too long that even the casual fan knew he was coming back.

Sadly Triple H being on Raw means he will always be top dog. Though of late Smackdown seems to be coming back to near the greatness it had when Heyman was booking the show. Has a much better main event scene with Edge, Taker and Batista in the mix.

If as Armageddon suggests JBL is back on the active roster and feuding with Jericho move him to smackdown and the show is back on top.

Raw is kind of in the doldrums still the fact that Orton and Kennedy are continuing to be rammed down our throats is getting old. Orton is the better worker but is absolutely death on the mic. Kennedy is just dull, his promos are dull and contrived and his work in the ring is pretty bland.

Andy

[KoshNaranek]

Jericho is the best promo in the business right now, but he's still inconsistent in the ring so that's why I personally wouldn't pay to see him in a main event. Good point about him being buried too many times though as that probably has influenced my opinion.

I do think Kennedy is being rammed down our throats but I actually enjoy watching Orton. His weakenss is the writing and booking team who insist he does those monotonous headlocks and stomps. No one sells move more effectively than Orton, especially the way he takes the superkick(tm).

- Tony

[Andy Turnbull]

Armageddon was a top ppv. I shan't spoil it but there were a few shocks.

And it seems that matches featuring Khali have replaced women's matches as the preferred time to go to the toilet.

Orton's ring skills are indeed very accomplished but he really needs to get better on the mic. His Armageddon promo was decent but it's a rarity.

Andy

[Andy Turnbull]

Finally the crowd got behind Y2J in a decent fashion at Armageddon.

Sadly I don't think WWE will have any real competition. TNA has the talent to do it but until the booking team of Jeff Jarret, Dutch Mantell and Vince Russo are taken out of the equation they will languish badly.

They've squandered what they had - A.J. Styles their homegrown star is lumbered with a stupid gimmick and falling down the card, Christian is being wasted just as he was in the WWE. Samoa Joa who should be their champion seems to be in a holding pattern.

Bringing back Nash and Hall was a complete waste of time.

Andy

[KoshNaranek]

It's funny, I don't know if it's that Hall and Nash are able to convince eople that they can still draw or if bookers actually still believe it themselves. AJ and Joe should indeed be at the top but unfortunately that's not going to happen while management still believes that pushing ex WWE stars will get them more attention. Angle is still good, but he's overexposed and he really needs to be kept away from public interviews. As for Christian, totally agree.

- Tony

[Hero]

koshnaranek said:

I do think Kennedy is being rammed down our throats but I actually enjoy watching Orton. His weakenss is the writing and booking team who insist he does those monotonous headlocks and stomps. No one sells move more effectively than Orton, especially the way he takes the superkick(tm).

I agree about Kennedy, I actually find him hard to watch mainly because he has a mixed up moveset or rather no moveset at all.

Randy certainly does too many headlocks and needs to reduce those. The headlock is the easiest and simple move to put into a match and always a move to come back to if stuck for something else to do, it's also the secret behind lengthy chains and transitioning towards other locks and holds etc. Either way, the headlock can also be the most boring move too.

Wow. Jeff Hardy is being pushed unexpectedly high.

===KEN

[KoshNaranek]

I like Jeff Hardy as he seems to come across as a genuinely nice guy who has just gone off the tracks a bit in his past. Some would say he dosen't deserve the push, but at least he's fresh to the main event. At Least HHH did the right thing and put him over clean unlike the time he and Stephanie buried Jericho. I really want Jeff to suceed, but just wonder if he has the intangibles to do so? I hope he does.

- Tony

[Hero]

I would love to see Jeff Hardy climb higher up the push ladder. I just wonder if he did end up being pushed to world title status whether management will re-image him a bit like they did with Cena, Booker, JBL, HHH etc.

Jeff is known for marching to the beat of his own drum, I just hope he stays the way he is even if he gets the strap put on him.

===KEN

[Hero]

Not sure if I will be watching this live as it is on Box Office this year. I will probably acquiring the show by other means.

JBL VS Chris Jericho, Jeff Hardy VS Randy Orton, Not sure of the other singles bouts but I am sure they will be determined on TV this week.

So far the actual rumble stands as:

RAW:
* Umaga
* Snitsky
* Hardcore Holly
* Mick Foley
* Cody Rhodes
* Santino Marella
* Carlito

SD:
* Hornswoggle
* The Undertaker
* Batista
* Kane
* Finlay
* Jamie Noble

ECW:
* John Morrison
* The Miz
* Shelton Benjamin

Anybody watching the Rumble this year? This is where the road to Wrestlemania starts. I also predict a few surprise entrants into the rumble itself, one of them namely the Big Show.

===KEN

[Andy Turnbull]

I always make a point of watching the Royal Rumble, although I'm not really all that excited by WWE at the moment. They completely fucked up Jericho's return killing any momentum stone dead. While it;s good to see JBL in the ring again, it leaves Smackdown bereft of a good commentator and his replacement Coach is death on the mic.

I have to say the return of the Big Show is not something I am all that bothered about.

Andy

[Hero]

Smackdown is always raped of its best talent especially when the annual drafts come up.

I hope HHH has a great spot in the Rumble.

===KEN

[KoshNaranek]

Not sure if I'll bother this year, I'll wait 'til after RAW to see what the other match-ups are. The Big Slow definitely isin't an incentive for me to part with my cash.

On the other hand, I do plan to watch UFC 80 to see B.J. Penn vs. Joe Stevenson. That's going to be a great fight.

- Tony

[Hero]

Updated and possibly final card -

Here is the final card.

World Heavyweight Championship Match
- Edge © vs. Rey Mysterio

WWE Championship Match
- Randy Orton © vs. Jeff Hardy

Career Threatening Match
- U.S. Champion MVP vs. Ric Flair

- Chris Jericho vs. JBL

30 Man Royal Rumble Match (5 Spots Remain Open)
- Confirmed Entrants:
Umaga
Snitsky
Hardcore Holly
Mick Foley
Cody Rhodes
Santino Marella
Carlito
Shawn Michaels
Ken Kennedy
Triple H
Hornswoggle
The Undertaker
Batista
Kane
Finlay
Jamie Noble
Great Khali
Mark Henry
Chuck Palumbo
John Morrison
The Miz
Shelton Benjamin
Big Daddy V
Tommy Dreamer
CM Punk

[Gav]

I only know 10 wrestlers who're in the Royal Rumble this year. I'm so out of touch.

I tried getting into TNA, but it's descended into the same quasi-soap opera that forced me to stop watching WWE. Fnargh!

[duffism1981]

I have no intention to watch this show, but if Sid is a surprise entrant, than I may try and see it. I can't stand wrestling these days, but the Rumble match is the only thing that I still interests me.

I bet someone lame such as Triple H wins.

[Andy Turnbull]

I must admit my interest is waning as the storylines are piss poor in the WWE right now and TNA is just bad.

TNA have probably two of the best wrestlers going in AJ Styles and Samoa Joe and they waste them, totally.

Gah!

I might end up watching the Rumble tomorrow, as it was always a favourite.

I think Triple H is likely to win the rumble myself, I hope not but I think he will.

Andy

[Gav]

Fuck it, i'm going to watch UFC on Brave right now, they've got Brock Lesnar about to get his balls caved in.

[duffism1981]

Is Lesnar vs Mir tonight? i am not an MMA fan, but I am curious about this fight.

I have read that a particular person has shown up at MSG, and may be a surprise entrant into the rumble match.

Superfly Jimmy Snuka < Scroll over here if you want to know.

[Gav]

I saw an advert saying it was on tonight, but it wasn't. Hmmm....

[duffism1981]

The fight is next Saturday the 2nd February. There is some amount of hype for this fight. It even had a short segment on Impact this past week.

[Andy Turnbull]

I missed most of the fights before the Rumble but watched that in the wee small hours.

Now I was not expecting THAT!!!! Very good job of keeping that under wraps by WWE.

Crowd totally on the back of The Great Khali screaming "You Can't Wrestle!" at him when he was in the ring.

Shelton Benjamin showed off his athleticism for a few moments before being eliminated. It's a shame how far he has fallen down the pecking order. It's a lifetime ago since he got those clean wins on Triple H.

Great moment from Hornswoggle.

Oh and dear WWE please never ever let the Miz do anything.

Oh and again dear WWE never let Superfly Jimmy Snuka wrestle again he is too old.

Andy

[KoshNaranek]

The only problem I have with Cena winning the Rumble is that Jeff Hardy will likely be pushed back down the card. That's a real shame as he really freshened things up with his presence. I hope they give him the win in the Elimination Chamber.

As for the Lesnar vs Mir fight, I really hope Mir wins. In recent interviews, including one in Power Slam, Lesnar has come across as a complete jerk. He's much too cocky for someone who only has one MMA fight under his belt. He reminds me of the highschool jock that everyone hates in American teen movies. Mir has very good submission skills and even broke Tim Sylvia's arm a few years back. The only thing that goes against him is his fitness, as he's been known to let his cardio slide. I'll have to try to avoid the net on Saturday so I can watch the fight next Sunday night. Oh, and I also want to see Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera beat the snot out of the aforementioned Sylvia as Tim is the most boring fighter ever.

- Tony

[Hero]

Do you reckon Tito Ortiz could take on Lesnar?

I was hoping that Cena would have had more time out of WWE. It looks like it will be him and HHH main eventing Wrestlemania.

[KoshNaranek]

Tito Ortiz has much more experience than Brock and is in very good physical condition, so yeah, I think he could take him. Look at the way he made Ken Shamrock hi bitch!

As for Cena vs. HHH part 1,748? YAWN!! I really want to see somebody, ANYBODY, new in the Main Event this year.

I was reading that Chris Harris has now signed with WWE after leaving TNA. How do you think they'll treat him in Vinceland?

- Tony