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Post by grahamthomson on Oct 1, 2009 7:43:54 GMT
Just for fun.
Pick any Marvel USA Transformers story from issue 14 onwards and replace any newly introduced characters with a member of the cast from issues 1-13.
The idea is to imagine all 80 issues of the comic featuring (for the most part) just the original cast from the first 13 issues.
Who would replace who in which stories, and why? And are there any new characters that just can't be replaced without changing the story?
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Post by blueshift on Oct 1, 2009 7:48:29 GMT
Interesting question. Less on a character, more a 'dynamic' viewpoint, the Decepticon Civil War near the end wouldn't have worked with 3 jets, Soundwave and some cassettes  |
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Post by jameso on Oct 1, 2009 10:34:38 GMT
Well, take Blaster for instance. The whole Autobot renegade storyline when he went awol with Goldbug could have been done with someone else, but Blaster was introduced as being one of the resistance left on Cybertron, so you can't really replace that story with Ark characters., so can you replace Blaster or Perceptor and so on?
Having said that, I guess you could replace the Headmaster characters by simply having the 1984 characters go to Nebulos. Fortress Maximus and Scorponok weren't really necessary.
Thunderwing could have just been Starscream easy enough.
I don't know about the special teams, they don't really seem pivotal to the ongoing story but it's hard to say 'oh, in that story with Superion, that could have been xxx'.
Omega Supreme is pretty unreplaceable.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 1, 2009 16:00:39 GMT
Ooh, good thread, distracting me from otherwise doing my annual story.
Remember, by issue #14 we had Shockwave, Jetfire, the Dinobots and the Constructicons. And if you interpret the artwork in US #4 loosely, Reflector.
So you could definitely have a Decepticon civil war.
Obviously none of those characters could literally fill the role of characters in later character introduction stories, because you can't introduce them for a second time, but I don't think Graham meant it that literally.
You don't need the original cast to go to Nebulos to become HMs and TMs - they could have done that story on Earth. Likewise, you could have made as many of them as you like into Pretenders and Powermasters.
Obviously, none of them could fill the role of unfamiliar character arriving from the future, nor the role of leader of undiscovered Cybertronian Empire.
But characters like Divebomb, Blaster, Bludgeon, Thunderwing, Ultra Magnus, etc. could have been done without introducing new characters.
Blaster/Goldbug - Jazz/Bumblebee
Skids - Hound
Thunderwing - Starscream
Divebomb - Buzzsaw
Ultra Magnus - Jetfire
Bludgeon - Ravage (possibly)
Fortress Maximus - Optimus Prime
Sparkabots - Cliffjumper, Gears and Windcharger
Battlechargers doing graffiti - Frenzy and Rumble
Scorponok I'm struggling with. I can't see any of the #1-13 Deceps filling his shoes.
Martin
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Post by grahamthomson on Oct 1, 2009 16:48:05 GMT
May the Autobot Cassettes strike me down for saying this, but I like the idea of Jazz instead of Blaster becoming disenfranchised with Grimlock's leadership.
Actually, all of your choices above I would agree with, Martin.
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Post by primenova on Dec 3, 2009 13:12:42 GMT
Sure that i have get all the character in the correct order & checked for reformatted characters. But also have characters like Sunstorm & Acid storm turn up just to give extra bodies to use during 1986. I know they where not around - but we did have green jets in the cartoon.
Existing characters -
84
Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Jazz, Prowl, Ironhide, Bluestreak, Side swipe, Sun streaker, Trail breaker, Wheel Jack,
Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Brawn, Windcharger, Huffer, Gears, Hound, Mirage,
Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ravage, Buzzsaw, Laserbeak, Frenzy, Rumble,
Guardian
85
Grimlock, Snarl, Swoop, Sludge, Slag, Jet fire,
Bonecrusher, Hook, Mixmaster, Scrapper, Scavenger, Longhaul, Shockwave,
Circuit breaker, Blackrock, RAAT,
86
Hoist, Tracks, Smokescreen, Grapple, Skids, Omega Supreme,
Streewise, Blades, First aid, Groove, Hot spot,
Silverbolt, Airraid, Fireflight, skydive, slingshot
Hotrod, Kup, Blurr, Arcee
Blaster, Perceptor, Warpath, Beachcomber, Cosmos, Seaspray, Powerglide, Outback, Springer, Broadside, Sandstorm, Whirl, Roadbuster, Topspin, Twintwist
Motormaster, deadend, wild rider, breakdown, drag strip
Onslaught, blast off, vortex, swindle, brawl
Thrust, Ramjet, Dirge, Sharpnel, Bombshell, Kick back, Octane, Astrotrain, Blitzwing, Runabout, Runamuck
Characters - ACid Storm, Sun Storm can turn up - this is just to replace Thundercracker & Skywarp from #70 onwards.
Emirate Xaaron, Impactor, Straxus, Robot master, Centurion.
Reformatted characters - Ultra Magnus [Optimus Prime], Galvatron [Megatron], Cyclonus [Skywarp], Scourge [Thunder Cracker]
Ultra Magnus - sometime in the future [year unknown or maybe parellel universe?] Optimus Prime is injuryed & placed in white armour then inside extra armour & has mind loss. Become known as Ultra Magnus & some how goes back in time to Jan 1986 Cybertron where Emirate Xaaron finds him [knowing who he is - something like how Alpha trion knew Orion Pax in the cartoon]
After being used during Target 2006 - some of the Constructicons are unhappen with the leadership on Earth & swap sides.
Long Haul, Mixmaster & Scrapper defect [note need to amend who we see in the issue with Blitzwing in builders yard think #124? #159] & become Autobot targetmasters Landfill, Quickmix, Scoop.
1987
Fortress maximus, Brain Storm, Highbrown, Chrome dome, Hardhead, Skylynx,
doublecross, grotusque, repugnus,
crosshairs, point blank, sureshot
afterburner, lightspeed, nosecone, scattershot, strafe,
Razorclaw, Divebomb, Rampage, Tantrum, Headstrong
Ratbat, Tryticon, Scorponok, Apeface, Snapdragon, mindwipe, skull cruncher, weird wolf,
misfire, slugslinger, triggerhappy,
blot, cutthroat, hun gurr, rippersnapper, sinnertwin,
the following Autobots go on mission to Cybertron [#113]- all get reformatted & return to Earth by #126. This then covers issues like why the Autobots where attracted by everything Galvatron was doing during #115-120.
Grapple - Inferno. Hound - Roll bar. Jazz - Search light. Hoist - Wide load. Bluestreak - Free way. Sideswipe - Chase.
Bumblebee becomes Goldbug going by UK story line.
1988
Raindance, Grandslam, PM Optimus Prime, Getaway, Slapdash, Joyride, fizzle, sizzle, guzzle,
cloudburst, groundbreaker, landmine, skyhigh, splashdown, waverider,
bombburst, bugly, finback, iguanus, skullgrin, submarauder,
Battletrap, Flywheels, cindersaur, flamefeather, sparkstalker,
Fangry, Horribull, Squeezeplay, Darkwing, Dreadwind,
nautilator, overbite, seawing, skalor, snaptrap, tentakil,
Characters who power up.
Sunstreaker - backstreet
Trailbreaker - dogfight
Perceptor - overdrive
Frenzy - crankcase
Rumble - ruckus
Thrust - windsweeper
Blast off - needlenose
Brawl - quake [after being damaged by Megatron]
Vortex - spinister
Flame,
1989
Nightbeat, Hosehead, Siren, catilla, chainclaw, Quickswitch,
Pretender Bumblebee, Jazz, Grimlock,
highjump, mudslinger, powertrain, tote,
doubleheader, longtooth, pincher,
carnivac, snarler, Pretender Starscream,
Barrage, Chopshop, Ransack, Venom, Doubledealer,
bludgeon, stranglehold, octopunch,
Following Timewars Huffer is reformatted as Pipes. Windcharger - Swerve. Gears - Tailgate.
Straxus is rebuilt as Thunderwing & they send him on a mission to see if he should lead #230.
Seeing the Dinobots are out of action [apart from Grimlock being a pretender] the other 4 become the Micro battle team.
big shot - Sludge
flak - Slag
slidetrack - Snarl
sunrunner - Swoop
Stunticons become sports car patrol
black jack - Wild rider
detour - Drag Strip
hyperdrive - Break down
roadhugger - Dead End
become Race car patrol
free wheeler - Hub Cap
roadhandler - Brawn
swindler - freeway
tail spin - Tracks
become rescue patrol
fixit - firstaid
redhot - inferno
seawatch - seaspray
stakeout - streetwise
become air strike patrol
nightflight - Acid Storm
stormcloud - Ram Jet
tailwind - Dirge
whisper - Thrust
1990
AFTER 1991 - Chase is brought back as Red Alert.
Eject, Ramhorn, Rewind, Steeljaw, Metroplex, Arcee, Wreck Gar, Rodimus Prime,
Gnaw, birdbrain, bristleback, icepick, scowl, slog, wildfly,
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