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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 6:58:55 GMT
.....Im a bit weirded out by how much people on here like this movie.
As a fan of the original series and some of the newer cartoons I can only hold it in the contempt it deserves.
I really dont want to get in a rant about it just wanted to say I found it weird how other fans could like it.
So basically my point is how is it possible that you guys like this?
Im only looking for discussion not a flame war ;D
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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 16, 2009 7:13:20 GMT
It's not weird at all.
We all like different things in life; it's how we're made.
Our DNA gets shuffled up every time we reproduced to make us all unique, and thus to stop our species being wiped out by any single disease. It also means we each have different tastes.
It's no big deal.
I don't mind if you don't like Transformers Revenge of the Fallen and I wouldn't mind if you thought it was the best film ever.
As Seaspray would say, "Different strokes for different blokes."
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Post by blueshift on Sept 16, 2009 8:34:38 GMT
As Seaspray would say, "Different strokes for different blokes." I'm pretty sure Seaspray would say "GLUBBLE GLUB GLUB GLUB BURBLE GLUB" actually |
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Post by Nigel on Sept 16, 2009 9:00:08 GMT
.....Im a bit weirded out by how much people on here like this movie. What gives you that impression? I thought most people here don't like it, though some do. I don't think it's on anyone's list of favourite films, is it? |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 16, 2009 10:05:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure opinion was pretty split on the film. I for one enjoyed it as cinema spectacle and it felt very pacy and enjoyable (the twins grated though) but can't say I am likely to get the DVD.
And much as I enjoy some of the Sunbow cartoons I wouldn't hold them up as an example of quality storytelling by any means. They were cheap saturday morning fodder, nothing more.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 16, 2009 10:06:34 GMT
As Seaspray would say, "Different strokes for different blokes." I'm pretty sure Seaspray would say "GLUBBLE GLUB GLUB GLUB BURBLE GLUB" actually I was thinking GRAWWWRRR GRAWWWWRRRR SHEEEE-SHPRAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 16, 2009 17:03:27 GMT
As so often, on the Internet Movie Database there are disproportionately many people giving it 10/10 and 1/10:
10/10 - 18.9%
9/10 - 9.4%
8/10 - 14.2%
7/10 - 14.9%
6/10 - 12.0%
5/10 - 7.6%
4/10 - 5.3%
3/10 - 4.1%
2/10 - 3.6%
1/10 - 10.0%
It's a nice smooth curve between 2/10 and 9/10, peaking at 7/10, but with anomalies in the 1/10 and 10/10 brackets.
By contrast, when we voted on it here, we have the nice smooth curve...
5/5 - 0 votes
4/5 - 5 votes
3/5 - 7 votes
2/5 - 4 votes
1/5 - 3 votes
0/5 - 3 votes
But we seem to be missing the spikes at 5/5 and 0/5 that the IMDB suffers from.
All in all, I think we have the sort of spread of views you would expect from a representative slice of movie-goers. We neither bow down and worship it because it's Transformers, nor do we consider it the work of the devil just because it's different from what we enjoyed 25 years ago. I think that's healthy. Anyone disagree?
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 16, 2009 19:11:46 GMT
Right on the money, Martin!
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Post by legios on Sept 16, 2009 19:53:14 GMT
No disagreement here Martin.
It wasn't my cup of tea, but other folks enjoyed it. Which is fair enough as there are things I enjoy that other folk don't like
My impression of the Hub's reaction was very much that some people liked it and some people didn't and some people were somewhere in the middle. Which is a fairly healthy state of affairs.
Too much unanimity frightens me. :-)
Karl
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Post by Kingoji on Sept 16, 2009 20:07:02 GMT
I HAAAATED IT! RAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaGGH!
Which is why I avoid any ROTF discussion threads. Why should I spoil their fun?
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 16, 2009 21:14:32 GMT
I agree with the above comments. Fairly mixed reaction across the board. Personally I enjoyed it, but even in the one time I saw it (which in itself says something) I could pick out issues that bothered me.
Love or hate it, or any other incarnation, theres no real need to get worked up about it.
Andy
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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 17, 2009 7:02:17 GMT
We are unanimous in our general ambivalence towards the film.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 7:07:00 GMT
I enjoyed it for what it was, a summer blockbuster about robots fighting. I will get the DVD, and most books that accompany it  |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 17, 2009 9:02:40 GMT
I will not be buying the DVD as I have no desire to ever watch it again. It's pretty much killed stone dead my interest in the Movieverse so haven't bothered with the Tales of Fallen Dave comics and I doubt I'll bother with Nefarious.
-Ralph
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 9:27:02 GMT
A fairly luke warm response, I think I've spent to many hours on other forums where things like this cause constant rants. I dunno I guess my point was as a transformers fan growing up (both the comics and the cartoons) I found that the way they raped the universe was a little too much for me to stomach. Saying that, I enjoyed the first movie if I forgot that it was supposed to be transformers but the second just picked to many scabs of the old universe for me to ignore it. I just thought on a transformers forum there might be more people who find it offensive but I guess Im just to passionate about things and need to chill out more.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 9:29:22 GMT
A fairly luke warm response, I think I've spent to many hours on other forums where things like this cause constant rants. I dunno I guess my point was as a transformers fan growing up (both the comics and the cartoons) I found that the way they raped the universe was a little too much for me to stomach. Saying that, I enjoyed the first movie if I forgot that it was supposed to be transformers but the second just picked to many scabs of the old universe for me to ignore it. I just thought on a transformers forum there might be more people who find it offensive but I guess Im just to passionate about things and need to chill out more. My opinion of the movieverse is that it's not assosiated with G1, the Trilogy or any of the other generations, so they can do what they want with the characters and plot, just like every other series does |
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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 17, 2009 9:42:51 GMT
I've been alive for, roughly, 280 thousand hours.
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is 2 and a half hours.
The proportion of my life spent watching it is something I'd need a scientific calculator to work out.
In other words: It's No Big Deal.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 17, 2009 9:44:57 GMT
Indeed. It's a fresh take so I don't give a toss that it does things different.
I just found it boring, dull, witless and at times offensive with humour I felt was too crude for kids. But mostly boring. Had I not been in company I would have walked out of the screening. I only ever walk out if I'm bored. I'll sit through many a crap movie but at least if something's shit I'll have some kind of reaction to it. Bore me and I'd rather go for a walk. Never saw the back sections of movies like The Matrix or Die Hard 4: very dull.
I'm done with ROTF. It doesn't occupy much of my thoughts.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 17, 2009 11:01:42 GMT
A fairly luke warm response, I think I've spent to many hours on other forums where things like this cause constant rants. I dunno I guess my point was as a transformers fan growing up (both the comics and the cartoons) I found that the way they raped the universe was a little too much for me to stomach. Saying that, I enjoyed the first movie if I forgot that it was supposed to be transformers but the second just picked to many scabs of the old universe for me to ignore it. I just thought on a transformers forum there might be more people who find it offensive but I guess Im just to passionate about things and need to chill out more. As said no need to get worked up about it, just another take, I don't really see how its offensive it sticks fairly true to the original concept of Transformers as I've always seen it. Plus it gave me Ejecter which is awesome. You don't like it forget about it, (what I generally do with Armada) but seriously dude, stop with the rape shit. If you really think that is anything like rape you've lived a highly sheltered life and need to try thinking about what it means in the real world. Dammit BFI Imax still isn't showing Transformers (or Star Trek) they better put it back on near Christmas. They are showing Up but its only in 3D not Imax which is a waste of time. All four Terminator films over night is a bit tempting though. Andy |
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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 17, 2009 14:06:37 GMT
Perhaps a more sensible turn of phrase would be "Michael Bay provided an alternative take on the Transformers, but I didn't much care for it".
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 17, 2009 14:13:21 GMT
The Shockprowl two peneth:
Fights - Good
Story - Rubbish
Overall - Disapointed it wasn't better, it could have, should have been better, but what ya gunna do?
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Post by Nigel on Sept 17, 2009 14:29:56 GMT
What you should do if you didn't like this one is vote with your wallets and not see the next one, but we all know we're not going to do that.  Better yet, don't buy the DVD of this one, as waiting to not see the next one would be too late. It raises an interesting question. Considering the not insignificant box office and DVD profits of both films - combined or singly - just how much pressure would it take from disgruntled fans for the filmmakers to change direction? (Irrespective of the balance of those for and against the film.) Also, whilst there are plenty of people complaining online (and, of course, plenty offering support), how many - or how few - people are directing their complaints to the right people, such as the executives of Dreamworks, Paramount and Hasbro? Probably very few. How much of the consumer reaction do the "suits" actually see, beyond the balance sheets? Which, I suppose, takes me back to my first question. |
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Post by grahamthomson on Sept 17, 2009 14:38:17 GMT
Going by the data on Box Office Mojo, nearly 116 million people saw Transformers Revenge of the Fallen in cinemas (or 60 million saw it twice, or combinations thereof).
How many of that 116 million are disgruntled fans who care enough to let their thoughts known to Paramount and/or Hasbro? And is that likely to make a difference, anyway?
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 17, 2009 15:06:41 GMT
As long as the current people want to make a third nobody is going to stop them. If not one long time TF fan went to see the next film it would still make money enough for number 4 to go ahead.
For me its ok because sure ROTF wasn't exactly what I wanted but taking the two films together I like the universe thats been created and look forward to the next one. I hope it will be a stronger/clearer script with the humour toned down, but I still think it can be turned into a strong trilogy.
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 16:26:54 GMT
Am I the only one who can't stand the designs? The original designs probably wouldn't translate well into live action but there is way too much kibble on the movie bots and cons.
Another thing that continues to bug me are the missed opportunities. In essence, Transformers was born out of the 1970's energy crisis and wars. The funny thing is, the same things are happening now. Powerful science fiction disguises itself as topics most will not touch. The Transformers energy crisis seems applicable to today's world as well as the future. At the core, Transformers has an underlining anti-war message. Instead, in the first movie, we get metaphysical gobbledygook and in the second a shoe horned Fallen. The film makers appeared to take elements from nearly every Transformers era and mix them together into a chaotic film experience. They should have kept it simple. Both movies would still have made huge profits while giving later generations an adaption with some relevance. In ten years, viewers are going to wonder why we even bothered.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 17, 2009 17:00:05 GMT
Think of it from the perspective of the creators (Bay, Spielberg, etc.). They have made two films which undisputedly give pleasure to millions of today's younger generation. A small but vocal number of grown-ups complain that the films have traumatised them because they aren't true to the cartoons and comics they enjoyed as kids. What do you suppose they _really_ think of such so-called grown-ups? For all their talk about respect for the fandom, I bet they consider such grown-up fans to be not right in the head. And I struggle to think differently.
Yeah, I loved and still love the Marvel comics and Masterforce, but Transformers isn't high art or the pinnacle of human creativity and imagination, and should just be enjoyed for what it is. Don't take it too seriously.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 17, 2009 18:15:48 GMT
If every TF fan registered to fan boards/sites decided not to go see any of these films or buy the DVD's you know what would happen? Nothing. Barely a dent in the takings. Going by UK conventions it could be conjectured we have around 500 hardcore fans over here (to be generous, double that figure for fans who can't go to events). That's enough to fill out a couple of screenings in one cinema.
-Ralph
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Post by bertie on Sept 17, 2009 18:32:16 GMT
Yeah, I only saw it because it was 'my duty'. I cried when Shia died (but I'm a complete freak in cinemas) but frankly ... it's ............ allll ................ a bit
(Y'get me?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 18:40:04 GMT
Think of it from the perspective of the creators (Bay, Spielberg, etc.). They have made two films which undisputedly give pleasure to millions of today's younger generation. A small but vocal number of grown-ups complain that the films have traumatised them because they aren't true to the cartoons and comics they enjoyed as kids. What do you suppose they _really_ think of such so-called grown-ups? For all their talk about respect for the fandom, I bet they consider such grown-up fans to be not right in the head. And I struggle to think differently. Martin Yes Martin, you are right. Bay and the rest pandered to the fandom and probably snickered behind our backs. We're a bunch of marks to them. Trust me. The kids, you are talking about, are going to grow up and wonder what they were smoking. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 17, 2009 18:46:56 GMT
Think of it from the perspective of the creators (Bay, Spielberg, etc.). They have made two films which undisputedly give pleasure to millions of today's younger generation. A small but vocal number of grown-ups complain that the films have traumatised them because they aren't true to the cartoons and comics they enjoyed as kids. What do you suppose they _really_ think of such so-called grown-ups? For all their talk about respect for the fandom, I bet they consider such grown-up fans to be not right in the head. And I struggle to think differently. Martin Yes Martin, you are right. Bay and the rest pandered to the fandom and probably snickered behind our backs. We're a bunch of marks to them. Trust me. The kids, you are talking about, are going to grow up and wonder what they were smoking. Except for a few hundred of them who will still be worshipping these live-action TF movies as adults and getting outraged at how the TF film-makers of the 2020s have done things differently and screwed up _their_ childhood memories. Martin |
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Better yet, don't buy the DVD of this one, as waiting to not see the next one would be too late.