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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 22, 2009 19:07:47 GMT
Would you welcome there being a third film in the series, made by the same people? (No other live-action movie prospect being on offer.)
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Post by blueshift on Jun 23, 2009 8:56:58 GMT
Whilst not the best, it certainly wasn't the worst. If it is this or nothing I wouldn't want to cut off my nose to spite my face.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2009 17:00:54 GMT
Not if it has the same writers, no.
-Ralph
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Post by Mark_Stevenson on Jun 23, 2009 19:27:20 GMT
No, but it'll happen anyway...
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Post by Nigel on Jun 23, 2009 19:38:33 GMT
Yes, I think they can do better, so I'll give them another chance.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 23, 2009 19:58:45 GMT
Given Bay's love of improvisation and the way he edits a film likes he's chopping chives, I wonder if the original script actually tells a more intelligent and coherent story.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2009 20:50:43 GMT
Having read the novelisation and comic adapatation it did have a slightly more coherant story, presuming they worked from earlier drafts.
-Ralph
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 23, 2009 21:00:52 GMT
I think I'll track down the novelisation. I hear it has Ransack in it!
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2009 21:02:16 GMT
He's in it for about a page. -Ralph |
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 23, 2009 21:03:38 GMT
Awww. Well I'm sure I saw him hanging from the ceiling in the Smithsonian scene anyway.
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Post by dyrl on Jun 23, 2009 21:09:24 GMT
From what I've read, the writers won't be coming back. Forgive me for not providing a link - and I am not saying it's a fact - but they did an interview that was posted on Seibertron.com not to long ago where they seemed to say that they pulled out all the stops for ROTF and are now interested in moving onto other things.
At least that's how I understood it - but it could have just been said in general that they are interested in doing other things - and this doesn't mean they WON'T do TF3 ... although I kind of got the feeling they were basically saying "nah - we're done with TF. We want to do other things..."
Maybe they're somewhat afraid of getting typecast as writers; also they are interested in producing/directing...
Again - a matter of interpretation whether any of this means they will or won't write the next one...
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Post by Nigel on Jun 25, 2009 10:48:48 GMT
I've changed my mind. Having had time to reflect and having read a couple of interviews, I don't want Michael Bay to make another Transformers film. I think he's taken Transformers as far as he can. His aim with ROTF was "bigger" - more robots, bigger robots, a larger canvas and so on. His favourite phrase seems to be that the first film was "a ten square mile" film, meaning that it was confined, hence the global scale of this film.
Assuming the same aim for a third film, the only way Bay could go would be to have the likes of Omega Supreme and Trypticon, whilst the film itself would likely be much the same in execution as ROTF.
ROTF is a no-brainer, popcorn-munching, explosive, summer blockbuster. To be fair, that's what Bay specialises in and he makes no apologies for that. It's not the sort of film that appeals to me, but that's not why I don't want to see Bay make another one. Rather, I don't think such a film realises the potential of Transformers. We've had the establishing film, we've had the brainless blockbuster, now let's see something actually done with the property. The foundations of Transformers have always been character and story. It's these that made Transformers an enduring brand, even ahead of transforming itself. Optimus Prime could transform into a shopping trolley and he'd still be one of the noblest characters of modern times. Arguably, in recent years, characterisation and story have largely taken a back seat, but from 1984 to Beast Wars (the original fans of which are now the key adult market), the input from the professional writers that Hasbro brought in were the key to Transformers' success. So let's reflect that heritage. Let's bring in someone to take the helm who can steer the next film in a worthwhile direction.
Who should that director be? Well, there seems one obvious candidate in the executive producer. Spielberg already knows the universe and the production requirements to bring it to the screen. Also, he is a proven director of all the elements that the film would need: drama, character pieces, effects, action, etc. JJ Abrams and Sam Raimi are also candidates that spring to mind.
As to the writers, again, Orci and Kurtzman know the specifics of the universe and under a more measured director, I think they could turn in a really good script. I recently wrote on these boards that the opening sequence of Star Trek was the best piece of cinema I had seen in some time.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 26, 2009 17:40:19 GMT
Not voting because I cant decide. I kind of think with a better script Bay will make a good third film and the writers are certainly capable of better. Also I fell like a third film could wrap up this group of characters. Particularly the humans.
Then 4 could be a fresh start. Same universe but new. Like a Who regeneration. The characters that go on in to it could all get new designs and the story telling can go off in a fresh direction.
Honestly I want that now but I like a lot of the current set up and would like to see it better resovled than ROTF did.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 26, 2009 21:15:51 GMT
Bay to direct a third I can live with, but I'd like new writers.
Andy
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Post by legios on Jun 28, 2009 20:22:23 GMT
To answer the exact question asked, would I welcome a further film in this franchise created by this particular creative team? The answer is very much that not only would I not welcome it, I would actively be displeased by the thought.
Not that I feel as strongly about all of the creative team as I do about some though.
I'm not a big fan of Michael Bay as a director in any event , I don't like his style at all, but there is only a certain type of director who is likely to end up working on a giant robots and explosions movie, and of that breed I acknowledge that Bay is very, very good at what he does. So although he wouldn't be _my_ director of choice, of those that are likely to be available/willing he is _a_ reasonable choice.
I am, however, less concerned about whether he chose to direct a further film than I am concerned that said film absolutely needs a new writing team.
It is more Orcini and Kurtzman that I would wish to see replaced. I'm not convinced by them as screen-writers at all in terms of their ability to structure a screenplay, and what they view as humor tends towards things that I actively dislike. If there must be a further film in this franchise then I would dearly hope for new writers.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 29, 2009 9:20:38 GMT
I'm starting to tend away from the writers too, now. I said that I thought the opening of Star Trek was one of the best pieces of cinema I'd seen in a long time and whilst I generally found the Star Trek script better than ROTF, as I think about it more, I recall that I found a lot of the humour in Star Trek to be at the expense of the characters (something, perhaps, that I was more tuned into than many people after recently reading George Takei's excellent autobiography, in which he writes about some of the previous films' humour being at the characters' expense) and also the whole ice planet sequence being out of place. Ho hum. Who's for Furman to write the next one?  |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 29, 2009 18:20:40 GMT
I've seen 4 films from that writing team now. They do not strike me as basic storytellers, nevermind skilled ones.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 29, 2009 18:50:44 GMT
Who's for Furman to write the next one? Definitely not. Judging by his past work, he would take it away from being seen through human's eyes, which is in my view the only way Transformers works in the live-action medium. The TF comics writer who would stand the best chance of writing a good live-action script - or at least plot outline - would in my opinion be Steve Parkhouse, who wrote 'Man of Iron'. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 29, 2009 19:03:28 GMT
Furman does vary his game. Much of his first series for IDW (Infiltration) was from the humans point of view.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 30, 2009 7:38:14 GMT
I was only half serious with the Furman suggestion. I hardly think they'd want a first timer to write a big budget blockbuster anyway. (A few cartoon scripts don't really count.)
It would be interesting to see what he might submit as a plot proposal, though, or to see him on board in a consultant capacity.
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Post by Benn on Jul 1, 2009 9:25:15 GMT
He was a consultant on the first one, according to IMDB...
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Post by Nigel on Jul 1, 2009 9:42:28 GMT
Does it still say that? I asked him about it before the film came out and he had nothing to do with it. IMDB should be a valuable resource, but it's user editable.....
I was trying to look something up about the voice actors the other day and found that one of the Transformers forums had actually banned posts about "news" on IMDB. Incidentally, I just found that the IMDB cast list has now been updated, which it hadn't been when I was looking the other day.
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Post by Benn on Jul 1, 2009 9:45:04 GMT
Is Jazz still listed as being in Fallen Dave then?
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Post by Nigel on Jul 1, 2009 10:06:48 GMT
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Post by Benn on Jul 1, 2009 11:00:53 GMT
That's either cool, or really really sad. I'll let you know when I decide...
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 1, 2009 16:09:52 GMT
IMDB is talking bollocks again.
Furman is on record as saying he had exactly one meeting with producers. That's it. He produced some tie-in media (comics, books) but did not work on the film.
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Post by Nigel on Jul 1, 2009 16:32:08 GMT
IMDB had him listed as a consultant before the first film even came out. I asked him about it months before at Bristol Comics Expo.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 13, 2009 23:22:32 GMT
New writers. New director. Want a new feel to 3 please.
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