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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 8, 2009 16:58:42 GMT
It would seem that Cybertron is 120,000 km across, i.e. the size of Saturn. How tall is Unicron from head to toe?
Remember! Divide his height by 10 and you get his shoe size. Multiply his height by three and you get how many seconds it takes a jet flying at Mach 1 to travel the length of him. Does it correspond with how you imagine him interacting with normal-sized Transformers?
But then again, how can he eat planets if he's only the size of Norwich?
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 8, 2009 18:47:08 GMT
I've gone for Earth's diameter, purely on how I see him in my mind's eye. He's smaller than Cybertron, but big enough to eat it. Might have to take some home in a doggy bag, like.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 9, 2009 18:34:45 GMT
You're a brave man, Shockprowl. Everyone else seems afraid to express an opinion on this one in case Unicron smites them.
The way you have voted, Unicron's foot is the size of Great Britain and it takes about eight hours for a jet travelling at Mach 1 to go the length of him.
To be fair to all those reluctant to vote (myself included), it seems to me that every answer is wrong. The only way he can be planet-sized in planet mode but interact with TFs in robot mode is if he shrinks by a factor of 1000 when he transforms. Which is also highly unsatisfactory. The truth is that the writers never thought through the implications of what they were doing when they created the character.
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Oct 9, 2009 18:46:48 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 9, 2009 18:58:56 GMT
Aha, and you've voted consistently with your story. Well done!
Martin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 2:21:39 GMT
I have often wondered what were Cybertron and Unicron's diameters? Thanks.
Another thought, how would Unicron approach a planet without disrupting the planet's gravity? How long would it take Unicron to transform?
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Post by jameso on Oct 12, 2009 23:46:25 GMT
How tall would a robot have to be for it to be able to pick up a thirty foot tall robot between its finger and thumb? That's the answer to how tall I think Unicron is.
The idea, for instance, that it would actually take the Decepticon jets several months to fly up his body is somewhat appealing, but not from a dramactic point of view. Though I've always thought that the Transformers stories we get as an audience are like dramatised versions written thousands of years later - for example, I don't really think they sit around talking to each other in real time english.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 13, 2009 7:18:24 GMT
OK, I'm looking at 'On the Edge of Extinction' as I type this. So, Unicron is 10,000 km tall, and Cybertron about ten times bigger. Now, we begin with the TFs suddenly noticing that Unicron is looming over them and about to bring his hand down on them. Primus says that Unicron used trickery, "shutting his mind down and drifting the last distance". Hmmm. OK, let's say he was in hyperspace. He shut his mind down and drfited the last distance in hyperspace, then popped out into real space and the TFs noticed him straight away. That'll do. Right, what's next? OK, he brings his hand down, and Prime, Scorponok and co. just manage to run out of the way. So, his hand is the size of Great Britain, and even moving at the speed of sound it took several hours between the final shot of the previous issue and the hand actually hitting the planet. Well, I suppose it's all manageable really, it just requires us to treat Geoff Senior's art as a very, very loose interpretation of what is actually happening, and the script extremely misleading in terms of timescales. It wasn't really Unicron's fingers that Prime and co. dodged. They probably weren't anywhere near his hand, but just on the periphery of the massively destructive shockwave caused by the forced air displacement. They had a long time to get out of the way, but only just managed to outrun the tsunami of air and metal. Next we come to Brainstorm's death. Now, Unicron's fingernail is as big as London, so perhaps he wasn't really skewered on its tip but on some lesser micro-hair. I guess Unicron actually drew Brainstorm to his hand rather than his hand hitting Brainstorm, since the air displacement from his hand would blow Brainstorm away, and Brainstorm would be instantly obliterated if hit by that much metal travelling at supersonic speeds. So, Unicron attracted Brainstorm magnetically onto a hair follicle, and then over the next few hours raised him to his mouth - outside the atmosphere now, so no more air turbulence - and ground him between his county-sized incisors. A nasty, long-drawn-out way to go. I wonder if any TFs capable of flying faster than Unicron's hand attempted any rescue missions during the period he was being raised to mouth level? Hmmm.  I guess the Ark didn't really chin Unicron, but flew past him at warp speed and hit him with shockwaves from its wake or somesuch. It all makes the battle that much bigger and more epic, and much longer. Would it work as a story if re-written in full to express these distances and timescales? (I don't mean in the techy nit-picky style I've used here, but in Eugenesis epic end-of-the-world style?) Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 13, 2009 8:04:15 GMT
I'd love to read a revisualised take on the story, proper account of scale would make it almost disturbing. All those instant decisions suddenly being seen as well planned and methodically thought through. Oh yes.
A quick bit of reseasrch later and I can confirm that it would take Starscream 3 hours almost exactly to travel head to toe. Jetfire could do it in about 25mins.
Now Brainstorm could do it in about 70 minutes, but and this puts an interesting spin on his death, his maximum range is 8000 miles which is only a little over 12000 km. Assuming he wasn't flat against Unicrons toe and also that he might not have had the chance to refuel before setting off he barely would have had the fuel to make it there so it was always a suicide mission. That may also explain the lack of rescue attempt. But what drove him too it?
Looking at a wiki list of those present only Cloudbust looks like being able to fly faster based on his tech spec 10 against Brainstorms 9. Now I cant remeber how he died but again relying on his tech spec its possible he would have been reluctant to leave his shell to attempt such a rescue, at least until it was too late.
Of course unless confirmed as being elsewhere any Transformers could be present but as they didn't appear is this sequence they no one was othering to "talk him down"
Where was Jetfire during this period?
I know trying to apply tech spec personalities and stregths is an in exact science but it does make for facinating musings.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 13, 2009 8:15:02 GMT
I think you're mixing up Highbrow with Brainstorm. Brainstorm (who I was referring to) was the guy taken in robot mode on the ground and then lifted up and eaten. Highbrow was clapped in the air in helicopter mode.
I suppose most flyers couldn't even get to Unicron's head height, because only a few have the ability to leave the atmosphere and reach orbit (according to their Universe entries anyway). Most are just flyers within a planet's atmosphere.
Martin
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Post by dyrl on Oct 13, 2009 8:37:58 GMT
This is how good fanfiction is born.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 13, 2009 8:56:49 GMT
I think you're mixing up Highbrow with Brainstorm. Brainstorm (who I was referring to) was the guy taken in robot mode on the ground and then lifted up and eaten. Highbrow was clapped in the air in helicopter mode. I suppose most flyers couldn't even get to Unicron's head height, because only a few have the ability to leave the atmosphere and reach orbit (according to their Universe entries anyway). Most are just flyers within a planet's atmosphere. Martin Right, must reread, Highbrows tech didnt mention distance but I think it would have taken him around 7-10 hours to reach his death. Thats got to suck. Andy |
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Post by dyrl on Oct 13, 2009 9:27:00 GMT
Adbot advises Unicron to increase his height by wearing Bugarrish Shoes. Apparently, Unicron can even be FOUR INCHES taller if her buys Bugarish shoes! Just go to www.bucharrishshoes.com says Adbot and be taller than the tallest planet eater. Pete |
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Post by blueshift on Oct 13, 2009 10:46:37 GMT
Dang, now this discussion HAS got me inspired!
Hmmmm...
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Post by andrewbcalculating on Oct 13, 2009 14:02:25 GMT
I worked out how tall Unicron was a few years ago in the Pyke in London. I remember putting my calculations up on the Hub, I think I worked out that Unicron was only between 1 and 2 miles tall.
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Post by dyrl on Oct 14, 2009 18:10:34 GMT
Unicron is pretty small when compared to Gurren Lagann.
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