Fitting AHM #1-12 into Marvel run

[primenova]

Just looking over #1-5 of AHM reprinted in UK v2 #1-7. I'm going to fit the whole story [that's the artwork but with totally new story text] into Marvel UK run around #93 [the Ravage Skids story in #72,73 would take place over a number of weeks with Ravage doing his stuff in ahm #2 then going to Showdown where he goes down the mine. ]

It's got to be set after #71 due to Omega Supreme showing up in ahm #10-12 [need to fit this in to when we see him next in #109]. Ratbat is on earth doing research on humans. Tankor iss one of the Octane clones we see in #103.

Starscream, etc get released from the Ark after #71 - but the ones that need returning there for #175 are returned [somehow].

The whole Kup with the Wreckers stuff would tie in the Kup's Story - how come Kup, Hotrod & Blurr off world when FortMax still stuck on Cybertron - but they dont tell him about Optimus on Earth.

[grahamthomson]

I tell you where AHM #1-12 could neatly fit.

The recycling bin.

Zzzzzzziiiiiiing!!

[primenova]

It'll take a while - i need to wait until the end of #12 is printed in the UK comic so i know what to put in - but there are going to lots of text - i might scan the pages in & add new text bullons on them. But i started checking out the Titan trades last night to seeing where character where in the background insureing that a character who isnt supposed to be around isnt there. This will fit nicely into the Marvel run & also explain stuff that didnt fit right.

The reason for Megatrons attack would follow on from UK #77 - that he his searching for the technology that we have that could create something that could take out his troops.

Making more sense then the random attacks in the issues.

[Deleted]

Personally I wouldn't fit AHM into any of the Marvel run. The majority of the Marvel US and UK run was top drawer and putting a much despised series such as AHM into it doesn't do it any favours. But if you did want to put it into the original continuity I'd rather put it into the Sunbow one. Shane McCarthy and even Andy Schmidt are writing the current comics from the cartoon point of view rather than the comic book one so it would fit in better there.

[primenova]

I'll try to fit it in both - one thing that would be explained in the original run is how the combiner tech some how got to Cybertron for Technobots & Terrorcons - when Shockwave came up with them on Earth [also in last 2 issues of AHM reprint they state that in IDW universe combiner tech is unknown of world - Pretenders monster? Shane you not been reading the spotlights?!]
With Ratbat not turning up in the cartoon until series 3 - but the ahm series would need to fit before the Movie.

[chrisl]

All Hail Megatron plays a crucial role in the Marvel UK folk-lore. It is directly responsible for many of the best UK epics ever written.

While Galvatron was burried under that volcano - he was imagining reading AHM 1-12 in a Groundhog Day style eternal loop. It was this that drove him mad and resulted in the various rampages once he was freed. "Rodimus Prime" is actually the false name Marvel UK had to use to prevent a lawsuit from Shane McCarthy, and "Time Jump" is code for AHM.

[primenova]

It would only work as G1 cartoon if it was a 5 part story. We never had naything lasting long relating back to something in the original cartoon. - unless cut it down to 3 parter like the pilot of Headmasters - which where both ok.

[Deleted]

It's not hard cutting down AHM. Bugger all happens in it for the first six issues!

[primenova]

Take the first page of TF2 #1. In one page Simon covers everything we see in the first few mintues of the film. [can't remember exactly how long in minutes it is - not got the DVD yet] But allowing for movement between scenes - unless you do it has a cartoon that jumps from one scene to another. That's why we are always told how different it is doing something in a cartoon to doing it in comic form.

[primenova]

The Prowl Ironhide fight can be a result of event in Target 2006 & also using Jazz scenes to follow on Jazz's recovery after those events. The new modes can be covered by Wheeljack just upgrading them - but making errors, explaining Bumblebee crashing. Also can add in joke with Sunstreaker re Galvatron. Also Sideswipe turns up on last page of Target 2006 - but is not in it at all. Mirage is in the Galvatron fight. Also the Skids Ravage story in #72,73 happen over a few weeks - so start would happen before ahm#1 then end following #2.

[primenova]

I've only been working on one part of the reworking right now.

That's Ravage being in #2. That these events take place #72 page 3 when Ravage at that camp site - to fight with Skids in #73. These events take place while target 2006 happens - Ravage returns back to the coal mine base after leaving the camp [arrives #83 to find no one there] so goes after Skids - who we see in first panel TF UK v2 #3 [i'm covering up that extra window with a speech balloon. ] Also fits in with Skids not wanting part of the war as seen in the rest of US #20.

[primenova]

I'm currently working on what Shockwave is upto. Last seen in #57,58 where he had his own base - but we dont know where this is located. that he leaves the coal mine base while events in #75-77 are happening then return #84.

Then trying to tie in with what are said on page 3 of #89 [us #21] -
Bombshell says - watching guy for several days [maybe a week??]
Megatron then says - been here for 3 days. [so all events in AHM#1-12 takes place over 2 days]. Bombshell can also transmit to Cybertron from Earth.

So maybe tie in the insecticons have been on Earth at request of Shockwave - then ties in with Shockwave expertments & also that Shockwave has the space bridge up & running without Megatrons knowledge. Also - that Autobots are not on Cybertron in AHM - they are on a G2 outpost that shockwave found & had linked the space bridge to & just happens to be where the swarm is.

[primenova]

US #19

Bumblebee scan the constructicons to get the electrical transformation pattern from him & then the Autobots flee.

This information is passed to Kup during the reformatted AHM but gets leaked to Scorponok
for the Headmasters mini series.

The whole stuff with Frenzy is Megatron showing the other not to cross him - after Frenzy was working for Shockwave. But time in Limbo also drove Frenzy mad.

Omega Supreme & Jetfire go to set up base on moon - which is later site for base in G2 comic. So this gets Omega out of way for Target 2006. Soundwave releases Frenzy & Thundercracker while he is at the Ark on his own with Magnus in #83.

[primenova]

AHM notes -

#35 See Sunstreaker damaged – hearing all voices & starts not liking Earth – lead into being repaired for ahm – but keeps having dreams of humans.

Shockwave’s designs for jets from #39/12 used for Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust in #89/21

Constructicons built at Blackrock aerospace plant Portland Oregon. Go with Soundwave to build transmitter in #35/10. Devastator slow in battle – Soundwave transmits signal to Cybertron [arrive #66/17]

Leave with Soudnwave & return back to Fortress base.
Where Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Frenzy
are located.

#40/12 Shockwave in swamp.

Crisis of command –




Dinobot hunt Soundwave, skywarp, laserbeak, scavenger tracking down dinobots.

Shockwave returns – base at fortress base.
with
at rock concert #53/14

#55/15 Megatron returns at coal mine base.

Not seen - #56 Megatron sends Laserbeak & Buzzsaw to find Starcsream, Skywarp,
- see #68.

#57,58 /16 Laserbeak & Buzzsaw find Shockwave. Shockwave, starscream, skywarp,


Soundwave leaves Frenzy behind [#59,60] while training constructicons & keeping eye on Megatron.

#61 Soundwave testing out the constructicons, who are then sent by Shockwave to get Buster.
#62 “future vision of Transformers race”
#63 Megatron informed of Shockwave at the fortress base. Frenzy is left at coal mine base – Megatron not to happy with him working for Shockwave so adds some mental conditioning on him, time in Limbo drives him mad [explain UK #100 & ahm #2]. Sends Soundwave to get the matrix visions.
#64 Mixmaster viewing with Shockwave & Soundwave.
#65 Shockwave informed of Megatrons location & fights. Agree on joint leadership. Shockwave leaves to continue work at Fortress base. Building of 2 teams. Sets up a space bridge to an old outpost he found where he created the Insecticons in the past.

#68 Blaster learns of Earth.
#69 Contact Soundwave/Straxus re spacebridge.
#70/19 Shockwave brings back the constructicons [last seen only in US#10 – UK #36]. Autobots need to record the electrical transformation pattern as unaware how to combine.
#70 page 4 event happen from #74 start.
#132 – Kup, Hotrod & Blurr meet up with other Wreckers. Kup & co come & pick up Blaster on Earth to flow into AHM.
#71 near end – Shockwave leaves Megatron to set up the island base.
#71 page 10 leads into events #75-77 Megatron, Soundwave & constructicons.
#71 page 11 – Informed of captured of 6 Decepticons & Dinobots gone. Prime & Prowl search for them #78.
Omega Supreme sent to Earth’s moon with Jetfire to set up communication base [this is later used as autobot base in G2 comic] Jetfire returns to Earth for target 2006 [this explains where Omega was during #78 Target 2006 to #104.
#72 pages 1-10 happen before AHM. Page 11,12 + #73 happen after ahm#2.
#83 Soundwave [while alone in the Ark with Ultra Magnus] releases Thundercracker & Frenzy from status.
#84 Shockwave returns to Earth & gets sent to Limbo. Returns #88 & uses spacebridge to get troops ready to take out Megatron [explains why not seen in US comic from #20-24 {72-106} – while in UK #84,96,97,102,104.
Sends designs for jets, triple changers, insecticons.
#87 repaint of sunstorm not skwarp.
#88 – Jetfire returns to moon to check on procress. Wheeljack gives everyone body upgrades.


#88 Starscream escapes from Kup, Hotrod, Blurr {future}– not seen.
Mirage not useful in attack in #81. AHM #7 Decepticons seem to disappear – no activite at coal mine base or fortress base. Powerplay between Megatron, Starscream, Shockwave. Autobots walk into trap in fortress base where Shockwave has his space bridge working. Devastator gets the matrix & the autobots are trapped on Shockwave’s deserted outpost [not Cybertron]. Prowl & Ironhide – issues over events during target 2006 teaming up with Megatron – also Jazz recovering from what happened to him.
Omega Supreme gets message from Hotrod & arrives ahm#10. Leaves Jetfire on moon.

Ahm #8 – Who Starscream talking to?

Ahm#12 Decepticons flee but matrix gets dropped. Autobots too low on power to follow.
Kup on Earth. They take out Starscream.

Space bridge
active #69 – out of action #69
active #89,90,94,96,104 – out of action #97,104,108
active #111,112,123,126

After AHM – UK #89 US #21
Megatron in coal mine base
Bombshell [been watching a human for several days], kickback, shrapnel arrived 3 days ago with insect mode given to them by Megatron [or maybe Shockwave]. Bombshell can contact Cybertron direct [maybe using Shockwave device?] - #89 page 3.

The Ark – All discard body upgrades. Optimus being repaired [Uk after Limbo – Us after #19] Skids, Ratchet, Jetfire, Wheeljack – building the aeiralbots protectobots, bumblebee

Kup leaves Blaster & co [blaster, preceptor, beachcomber, cosmos, powerglide, warpath, seaspray] on Earth Columbia river & heads back to Cybertron to go with Fortress Maximus after placing Starscream in status.
Informed of the 7 Autobots from cybertron.
Dirge Ramjet Thrust arrive on Earth.

Shockwave build Stunticons, Combaticons?
Ratbat on Cybertron for # 98 building Trypticon, wipeout.
Octane clones seen in #103 – that Tankor could have been clone. Triplechangers on Cybertron.
Walter Barnett Triple I intelligence & information institute Forsythe
RAAT rapid anti robot assault team

[primenova]

this is the end of #1 re-edit. only changed 16 pages of #1 - missing out the first page.

[primenova]

[The Doctor]

My life is now complete.

-Ralph

[primenova]

Hope you like the StarTrek joke - was going to kill Drift off off panel if he doesn't get shot on panel during later issues. But now with Titan not printing the dreadful comic i'll have to wait to pick up #6-12 when someone sells them off at 30p each.

[The Doctor]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

More! More!

-Ralph

[grahamthomson]

How will AHM #13-16 fit? HOW WILL SPOTLIGHT DRIFT FIT?!

[Deleted]

I want to see a Spotlight: McCarthy so that I read how he came to be signed up as a writer despite not even having the skill to write an episode of Home and Away!

[primenova]

Jan 8, 2010 8:40:09 GMT @grahamthomson said:

How will AHM #13-16 fit? HOW WILL SPOTLIGHT DRIFT FIT?!

#13 & Bumblebee story in #16 are the only stand out ones that take place after ahm #12 [not to sure when that Galvatron one happens] But the other stories do fit in with AHM - but also are slightly more tied in IDW universe than AHM is. For this you just need to only look at Kup Story. The excellent AHM #15 Kup Story by Nick is too heavly tied into the IDW Kup one shot that it wouldn't really work trying to fit it into Kup Story [even though it could explain how Kup got sent away & his mental state in #132 - but you'd need to write a 4 issue mini just to cover all Kups backstory]

So just skipping spotlights Blurr [follow on from #132], Jazz [have his text being about recovered from Target 2006], Drift [give the guy a red shirt], Cliff jumper, Metroplex [its not 2003 yet]

[The Doctor]

I'm sure you can do it. I've got faith.

-Ralph

[primenova]

I'll have to wait until I pick up #6-12 original issues so can then start to rewrite the human bits. Need to see where they are going before looking at the issues Titan printed. Not scanning in the stuff in #8 because I want to work on full issues. I was bidding on set #1-10,12 on ebay but someone bid against me & i'm def not paying more than £1 an issue. 50p bargin bin or comic marts better have them in soonish.

[primenova]

just scanned in #6-12 [combined some of the splash pages into one page] now just to work on the chances in text.

[primenova]

Just getting to work on the re edit now - not sure to place all the Dropshot Kup pages together in #12 or leva ein the normal print order - if have the Meg/Prime fight all together.

But sure some people are wondering how i'm going to do the Sunstreaker stuff.

1. How did Jazz get rescued after #257. What if this deal with Starscream took place then - but Starscreams plans where put on hold due to events in #8.

2. The issue with the Swarm attacking Megatron & co - still a flashback but they'll be ref'ing events not seen. Mainly Shockwave had just been stating why he should rule with his new race of Insecticons - then he releases the swarm [the normal 3 insecticons are safe & sane]

Shockwave & Megatrons group are both split up with Meg's shouting how what a fool Shockers is while they all flee. Then that's when the flashback starts.

Also Bridge is going to be Walter - & then wait & see about Hunter. in #35 was Blackrock upto anything while in the Ark. Did Shockwave test a bit of Matrix energy out on a worker at the aerospace plant? Sunstreaker getting visions of the future with Buster walking around the Ark after we have seen what he can do with the Matrix energy inside him - maybe give Sunstreaker visions.

[primenova]

I've got to the end with coming up with the Transformers new text. Now just need to go back over all the human stuff & also placing the pages in order of happening so no flashbacks -

apart from

1. The first Sunstreaker Starscream flashback which takes place right after events in #257.
2. Sunstreaker Starscream flashback takes place just after the Decepticons return to Earth with the 3 Insecticons.

Order of events -

Sunstreaker back online.
Insecticons created.
Bombshell working on human test subject left by Shockwave.
Battle where the Autobots are sent away.
Start of AHM page 2 onwards - Decepticons attack New York etc

[primenova]

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