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Post by primenova on Mar 24, 2010 14:17:19 GMT
New artist - but is the cover we have on preview his or Don's [don't know if he is doing fillin artwork to match Don's so can't tell if its by someone else - can anyone see Don signed it?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 24, 2010 14:25:55 GMT
Pete. It would be nice if you could link to the cover in question rather than just posting about it and assuming we have all already seen it.
Andy
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Post by primenova on Mar 24, 2010 14:39:48 GMT
Just trying to find a direct link on the best site
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Post by primenova on Mar 24, 2010 14:41:07 GMT
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Post by dinogrrl on Mar 25, 2010 2:45:12 GMT
Solicitation Text:
"Spike Witwicky commands a unit specially trained to take down Transformers; he has single-handedly brokered peace between the U.S. and the Autobots."
Wait, he did? I thought he was too busy being a jackass and scoring booty.
"But there are secrets in his past that could jeopardize all of that. Good thing Spike's not the kind of guy who would recklessly endanger the entire world to settle a personal score, right? "
Oh wait. Still being a jackass. As you were!
Also - Javier Saltares - not someone I'm familiar with. That has to be his art on the cover image though, and I can't say I like it much. Where Don's robots were often over minutely detailed to work well in sequentials, this is a bit too simplistic and G1 cartoony for me. Where'd the middle ground go?
That said, it's more appealing to me than most of Don's style. Eh, I guess I'll take a look a previews for it at least, given that LSoTW will be done by then, and if anyone survives that, they might start popping back up in the Ongoing. Maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 9:00:22 GMT
I believe a couple of years ago Javier Saltares was finishing Mark Texeira's breakdowns on a couple of arcs of Wolverine and Ghost Rider, written by Daniel Way.
Hard to say how much of the art was Saltares and how much was Texeira, so it's no judge of how good Javier actually is. Also both were probably aiming for a darker mood than this too.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 26, 2010 0:31:37 GMT
Javier Saltares is a decent artist. He was the original penciller on Ghost Rider when it came back in 1990 with texeira inking him as I recall.
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Post by dinogrrl on Mar 26, 2010 3:21:10 GMT
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Post by Kingoji on Mar 26, 2010 6:56:57 GMT
Ooh... me likey!
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Post by grahamthomson on Mar 26, 2010 9:09:50 GMT
Lookin' good!
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Post by primenova on Mar 26, 2010 23:54:40 GMT
That does look good with seeing a few panels instead of just a cover image.
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Post by Rich on Apr 3, 2010 16:20:23 GMT
"Spike Witwicky commands a unit specially trained to take down Transformers; he has single-handedly brokered peace between the U.S. and the Autobots."
What a terrible sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 22:19:39 GMT
"Spike Witwicky commands a unit specially trained to take down Transformers; he has single-handedly brokered peace between the U.S. and the Autobots." What a terrible sentence. My thoughts exactly. That sounds like a plot device that was so bad it was rejected for AHM. |
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Post by dinogrrl on Apr 6, 2010 2:58:16 GMT
I just want to note - that cover image is actually Don's work, not the new guy. It looks like Don whipped out his older style for that one, God only knows why, because although I don't care for the faces on his current style, it still looks better overall than the 'I'm retaining water like a balloon' effect his old style often gave.
So that gives me even more hope for the look of the interior art. If only the story weren't about the one human character I really despise.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 11, 2010 9:09:52 GMT
WHAT?!
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Post by Benn on Jun 11, 2010 11:19:19 GMT
Yeah, pretty much...
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Post by dinogrrl on Jun 12, 2010 1:14:55 GMT
That bad, huh? Wasn't this the Spike-o-rama issue?
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 12, 2010 6:38:46 GMT
At this point, the less than impressive story content doesn't surprise me at all. What upsets me is the art.
Since I heard months ago that Saltares was drawing issue 8, I've been telling people to wait for it, I think you'll be impressed. But from what I hear, he could have pretty much phoned the work in.
A huge shame, I loved his Ghost Rider stuff.
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Post by blueshift on Jun 12, 2010 6:47:09 GMT
I remember him saying that he really didn't like drawing mechs
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Post by KnightBeat on Jun 12, 2010 18:41:04 GMT
I'm guessing he doesn't like drawing humans either.
I can appreciate the story for what it tried to show - the complexity of the human's relationship with the transformers and the personal struggle of one man to overcome his prejudices. The Autobots and Decepticons are viewed as little more than robotic immigrants that insist on acting upon old grudges. Spike has realised that the Cybertronians cannot be judged on the basis of the actions of a subset of their species, but he continues to be wary for an act of betrayal.
That said, it's a shame that the execution of the story was so poor. The story does not require 20+ pages dedicated to it. Simon Furman was able to show Circuit Breaker's resentment of the Transformers and use it to advance the story. TF#8 could easily have been merged with one of the forthcoming Spike & Autobot team-up stories with minimal changes. As it is, it's little more than a TF Mosaic script that has been expanded to fill an entire issue.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2010 18:18:49 GMT
Well, that was, um, hmmm. Spike is now pretty much dead as a character for me. He has no redeeming features and I hope he gets stepped on.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 14, 2010 10:43:46 GMT
He won't get stepped on - he can fight Transformers off with his kitchen supplies and his amazing ability to put on a shirt between panels!
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 14, 2010 17:34:33 GMT
I believe a photo exists of me reading this comic in utter horror.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 14, 2010 17:39:31 GMT
And you had the cheek to laugh at my distress when I read it before you. You suffered just as much.
I've been thinking about any redeeming feature in this issue all day to try and comment positively upon but I'm afraid I can't other than to say I accidentally missed two pages out which thankfully ended my suffering faster.
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Post by legios on Jun 14, 2010 19:37:13 GMT
So I take it that I am not missing much by not having read this then?
Karl
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Post by Jaymz on Jun 15, 2010 0:22:53 GMT
So I take it that I am not missing much by not having read this then? Nope. In fact by not reading it, you gain something over the rest of us that have read it. |
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Post by legios on Aug 6, 2010 23:22:39 GMT
So I take it that I am not missing much by not having read this then? Nope. In fact by not reading it, you gain something over the rest of us that have read it. Unfortunately, what I had has now been lost. I have now read Ralph's copy of #8. I have to say that it is woeful on so may levels. The art is...... phoned in is the nice way of describing it. The first page is completely redundant - anything it might have established is thrown away by being baldly stated in dialogue in the first panel of page two. The issue manages to put the final nail in the coffin of Spike as a character as well. We are expected to believe on the one hand that he is a person with a significant military career who has reached a reasonable officer rank and obtained considerable evidence in the special operations community. On the other we are supposed to believe that he has a tendency to misappropriate Government property and go off and pick unnecessary fights with an enemy that substantially outweighs and outguns him. Frankly the kind of behaviour we see out of Spike in this issue does two things. On a realistic level (and Costa is trying to sell this as drama and not action-nonsense so this has to be considered) his behaviour i the sort of thing that would either cause him to be Returned to Unit or result in an unfortunate accident in training benching him with a career ending injury. It also finishes destroying him as a viable heroic protagionist. He was already short on redeeming characteristics to make him a followable lead character. This issue finishes the job of making him a thoroughly detestable character, with no trace of anything that might make him redeemable. It certainly doesn't give me any inclination to read any further issues of a comic where this is a primary lead character. Instead it further confirms me in my view that unless and until IDW announce something with a creative team I have some reason to expect good work from I haven't any inclination to even sample their Transformers comics. I certainly am not interested, in the strength of this in anything that emerges from Mike Costa's pen in the future. Karl |
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