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Old post 05/09/07 at 08:40 PM Reply #1
Hands down the worst sequential art I have ever seen in a Transformers comic, in terms of storytelling clarity. #1 had a lot of problems art-wise in telling the story but after re-reading I got the gist. #2 had Marcelo Matere doing some pages which were clear and readable.
#3 is all Alex Milne though and to be frank, it looks atrocious. That it was published in that state makes me scratch my head. There are literally entire pages where despite several re-reads I have not a clue what is going on. At times, the art is so cluttered and unclear it runs completely contary to the script. Talking of the script, it's well done for comics in that the writer knows when to put text in and when to let the art tell the story. Unfortunately the artist isn't up to the job and so as a reader I was lost. The likes of Jose Delbo often get pelters for their art styles but at the very least they could tell a story.
I feel really sorry for Eric Holmes, I really do. Title aside, (it really should be Decepticon Origin rather than Megatron Origin), the premise is sound. It's a cracking story and I weep when I think how Wildman or Roche or Su could have handled it. This guy deserves another TF writing slot. I like the portrayal of the bubbling-under period just before the war, and the whole thing is just one big homage to the early years of Marvel UK TF.
Just a shame the art is so bloody bad! It's killing what would otherwise be a decent comic and a memorable Transformers story.
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Old post 05/09/07 at 09:15 PM Reply #2
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#3 is all Alex Milne though and to be frank, it looks atrocious.
You've answered my question. I was going to ask if the same artist was on it or not. As he is I am not going to bother.
It is a real shame because I think that the script is decent and would make for a good read. However, Alex Milne's art is some of the furthest from being ready for prime time I have seen. The writer has crafted a script where a lot of the characterisation needs to be carried by the art, and quite frankly Milne isn't up to it. I'd like to see Holmes teamed up with a better artist on a future "Transformers" project, but I shan't be buying any more issues of this current series.
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Old post 05/09/07 at 09:21 PM Reply #3
I perserved with the series due to the script but I've had enough now. No sale for #4 for me, I'll just catch a synopsis on-line. £2.85 a pop for a comic is a lot of cash for me now I'm almost a student and I won't waste it.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:00 AM Reply #4
What's that term about leaving TV shows? Jump the shark?
Well, whatever it is, I "jumped" this series halfway through issue 2, I'm afraid. Sorry!
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:14 AM Reply #5
'Jumping the Shark' is when a show goes really rubbish and unbelievable. In the case of Happy Days, from which this term originated, it was to get higher ratings.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:19 AM Reply #6
Cheers, Big L. I was kind of on the right tracks there.
So what's the term for "stopping getting a comic series"?
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:33 AM Reply #7
"dropping a periodical".
I haven't gotten #3 yet (I believe it was the item the postie returned to the post office, but they didn't have it the 3 times my father called). But I think the script so far has been pretty poor, not just the art. Megatron's actions are more like a wandering drunk than anyone with a clear plan for leadership. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with the script.
I think Milne is attempting to layer on too much detail and that leads to a confused mess, less is more on many occasions.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:40 AM Reply #9
I felt the intent was to show that Megatron himself wasn't that extraordinary at the beginning of the war, he was merely a catalyst around which events escalated and presumably his stature rose as the war progressed later on. Just another random grunt who was in the right place at the right time. The Autobots themselves are fairly ineffectual and not terribly nice so had it coming, really. It seemed inevitable there would be an uprising at some point. Which I really like the idea of, it's different from most Origin Stories For Bad Guys. Unfortunately it really needs an artist who excels at body language and facial expressions. Milne is not too hot on both as yet. I'm sure he's trying his best, he just ain't ready for professional publication yet. Which is a harsh statement though it is my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of Don Figuero's art style, for example, but he's at least learned to tell a story and I could follow his work on last week's Prime Spotlight just fine.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:48 AM Reply #10
I thought the change in tone from #1 to #2 was utterly awful. Making the Autobots look like the bad guys struck me as rather hackneyed and clichéd at best, Megatron pulling a group together and then starting a almost socialist revolution in #1 and then all of a sudden becoming an underground solo-warrior in #2 just didn't fit together at all. It was like, make Megatron look sympathetic, check, make Megatron look like bad-ass check, etc, etc.
Doesn't sit together well for me and the portrayal of various Autobots isn't in keeping with previous iterations (in IDW) of Autobot techniques, the dialogue also gives Megatron almost a surreal mash of internal idealogy.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 10:01 AM Reply #11
What? I didn't get any of what you are all saying from reading those first two issues. Mind you, I only read them once, so I may have missed a lot of it.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 10:54 AM Reply #12
In issue #1 Megatron leads a mining revolt against an oppressive regime ala Arthur Scargill.
In issue #2 Megatron is a underground pit fighter ala Jean Claude Van Damme in bloodsport.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 06:45 PM Reply #13
In issue #3 someone shits all over the page for 22 pages, then there's some ads.
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Old post 07/09/07 at 09:50 AM Reply #14
Some things that I don't understand about this issue:
It seems Megatron gets overpowered too easily on page 19.
Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?
Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?
Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?
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Old post 07/09/07 at 10:43 AM Reply #15
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Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?
Presumably, Ratbat has arranged for his release. He's a senator, he can do that. And we know Soundwave as working with him from last issue.
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Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?
The "You" is pretty irrelevant - he's just ordered the closest 'bot to hand to kill the "him" - the "him" being Starscream, because Starscream is about to make a deal to get himself off by blabbing all of Megatron's secrets.
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Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?
That's Ratbat.
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Old post 07/09/07 at 10:43 AM Reply #16
"It seems Megatron gets overpowered too easily on page 19."
They could have gone for the OMAC homage. They didn't. Another mark against Milne.
"Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?"
Either because of his telepathic abilities or his connections with Ratbat.
"Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?"
"You" I suspect is Starscream, who is in the process of selling him out. "Kill him" is directed at everyone else in the cell. Took me three reads to figure that out.
"Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?"
I have no idea.
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Old post 09/09/07 at 10:34 PM Reply #17
Milne is getting a lot of flak and its well deserved. But I'm not convinced Holmes' storytelling abilities are that great either. The origin of Megatron/Decepticons is a great idea but the plot is not the easiest to follow. I put that down to 70% art and 30% writing.
It was suggested by a previous poster that he should get another shot at writing. I think the chances of that depend on sales of Meg Origin, and judging by the fact people are willing to drop the book midway I wouldn't expect big numbers for this one. I think Eric Holmes will have his work cut out getting another gig. Maybe, if he's lucky, he can do a spotlight and if he gets a different artist we'll see how good or otherwise his storytelling is.
I'm finding myself reading this book and longing for those Marvel text boxes that used to spell things out. People shouldn't have to read a comic two or more times to know what is going on.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 11:50 AM Reply #18
I bought this and while I agree there is a lot of potential on the writing side I wish I hadn't because I know I will be a completist and buy #4 when I should've dropped this series after #2.
There were some things I liked, but they were outwayed by things I didn't (Elita-1 for instance - No, no, no!) and the parts of the issue where I still have absolutely no idea what is going on.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 11:54 AM Reply #19
It would appear I am finally over my completist urge when it comes to Transformers comics. I bought issue 1 and that was enough for me.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 01:51 PM Reply #20
I seem to be finding it easier to decipher the art than everyone else - but it's still a pain in the butt. Which is a pity because the strip's okay: it continues the point from #2 that the pit fights are making everyone involved get worse and worse, the growing undercurrent of escalating terrorist attacks is nice, and I'm wondering if Starscream is being genuinely treacherous or if Megatron has set this all up for some reason & Starscream's in on it. Note the dialogue on page 13 - Starscream has been given a task and he's unsure what it's for. Shortly afterwards the Autobots attack (conviniently knowing where everyone is) and Starscream, who Megatron told "everything", turns snitch. It could go either way here...
And I still like the basic idea that Megatron was an average guy who just happened to be in the right place at the right time, capitalising on something that already existed; the instability and violence was inevitable (though Megs is making it a lot worse). That's a new take.
It does have its flaws though - for a start, when did the Decepticons capture Decimus? And as noted, the events of issue 1 seem disconnected from the underground fighting plot. But what confuses me is Ratbat is worried things are getting out of control with the Decepticons. But Ratbat was obviously arming them via Soundwave! What did he think was going to happen?!
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It would appear I am finally over my completist urge when it comes to Transformers comics.
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We shall see how strong you are when the inevitable Timelines #3 comes out next year for Botcon...
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Old post 10/09/07 at 02:50 PM Reply #22
An interview with Alex Milne.
Gah! Pat Lee annoys me so much. I am filled with rage. Milne's work is not to my taste, but he shouldn't have been mucked around like that at all.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 03:31 PM Reply #23
Is Pat Lee solely driven by hate for his fellow man?
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The man is a total piece of scum. Folks need to ensure they avoid buying anything with his name on it and eventually the business will wise up and fuck him off entirely.
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Is Pat Lee solely driven by hate for his fellow man?
I think it is less hatred of his fellow man than a misplaced feeling of superiority. Mr Lee does appear to believe he is superior to the other jobbing artists out there - an opinion his body of work does not support. He is one of the few names that will immediately make me avoid a product at all costs.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 08:34 PM Reply #26
Pat Lee I have no respect for.
Alex seems like a nice enough guy. He spent a lot of time on sketches at Botcon. I got him to draw Goldbug
I'm sure with some experience his finished product will improve immensely.
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Old post 11/09/07 at 04:55 PM Reply #27
Hmmm, got my copy today. The art is variable, but I thought the script was piss-poor. Theres nothing exceptionally new, some of it wanders down "intense fanwank" territory and as a whole its an enormous disappointment. It's almost like reading a Brad Mick comic....
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Old post 12/09/07 at 12:27 AM Reply #28
Actually it reminds me a lot of Brad Mick. I haven't been this confused by a script and body of art since Micromasters... and well, we all know how that ended (or not as the case may be). Issue #4 will need to sparkle to avoid this series sinking without trace.
Thank God Devastation starts this month.
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Old post 13/09/07 at 07:37 PM Reply #29
It's funny Brad Mick should be mentioned, as the first page of Megatron #3 has such a momentous fan wank moment I am surprised that all copies weren't distributed with the pages already stuck together.
I am of course referring to the rubsign moment. It happened in the second Transformers: Generation One miniseries by Dreamwave and it happened here. I never thought I'd see the day. Not from IDW, no, not from IDW.
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Old post 13/09/07 at 07:45 PM Reply #30
I had managed to blank it from my mind till you mentioned it. Thanks for that.
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Old post 05/09/07 at 08:40 PM Reply #1
Hands down the worst sequential art I have ever seen in a Transformers comic, in terms of storytelling clarity. #1 had a lot of problems art-wise in telling the story but after re-reading I got the gist. #2 had Marcelo Matere doing some pages which were clear and readable.
#3 is all Alex Milne though and to be frank, it looks atrocious. That it was published in that state makes me scratch my head. There are literally entire pages where despite several re-reads I have not a clue what is going on. At times, the art is so cluttered and unclear it runs completely contary to the script. Talking of the script, it's well done for comics in that the writer knows when to put text in and when to let the art tell the story. Unfortunately the artist isn't up to the job and so as a reader I was lost. The likes of Jose Delbo often get pelters for their art styles but at the very least they could tell a story.
I feel really sorry for Eric Holmes, I really do. Title aside, (it really should be Decepticon Origin rather than Megatron Origin), the premise is sound. It's a cracking story and I weep when I think how Wildman or Roche or Su could have handled it. This guy deserves another TF writing slot. I like the portrayal of the bubbling-under period just before the war, and the whole thing is just one big homage to the early years of Marvel UK TF.
Just a shame the art is so bloody bad! It's killing what would otherwise be a decent comic and a memorable Transformers story.
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Old post 05/09/07 at 09:15 PM Reply #2
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#3 is all Alex Milne though and to be frank, it looks atrocious.
You've answered my question. I was going to ask if the same artist was on it or not. As he is I am not going to bother.
It is a real shame because I think that the script is decent and would make for a good read. However, Alex Milne's art is some of the furthest from being ready for prime time I have seen. The writer has crafted a script where a lot of the characterisation needs to be carried by the art, and quite frankly Milne isn't up to it. I'd like to see Holmes teamed up with a better artist on a future "Transformers" project, but I shan't be buying any more issues of this current series.
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Old post 05/09/07 at 09:21 PM Reply #3
I perserved with the series due to the script but I've had enough now. No sale for #4 for me, I'll just catch a synopsis on-line. £2.85 a pop for a comic is a lot of cash for me now I'm almost a student and I won't waste it.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:00 AM Reply #4
What's that term about leaving TV shows? Jump the shark?
Well, whatever it is, I "jumped" this series halfway through issue 2, I'm afraid. Sorry!
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:14 AM Reply #5
'Jumping the Shark' is when a show goes really rubbish and unbelievable. In the case of Happy Days, from which this term originated, it was to get higher ratings.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:19 AM Reply #6
Cheers, Big L. I was kind of on the right tracks there.
So what's the term for "stopping getting a comic series"?
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:33 AM Reply #7
"dropping a periodical".
I haven't gotten #3 yet (I believe it was the item the postie returned to the post office, but they didn't have it the 3 times my father called). But I think the script so far has been pretty poor, not just the art. Megatron's actions are more like a wandering drunk than anyone with a clear plan for leadership. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with the script.
I think Milne is attempting to layer on too much detail and that leads to a confused mess, less is more on many occasions.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:40 AM Reply #9
I felt the intent was to show that Megatron himself wasn't that extraordinary at the beginning of the war, he was merely a catalyst around which events escalated and presumably his stature rose as the war progressed later on. Just another random grunt who was in the right place at the right time. The Autobots themselves are fairly ineffectual and not terribly nice so had it coming, really. It seemed inevitable there would be an uprising at some point. Which I really like the idea of, it's different from most Origin Stories For Bad Guys. Unfortunately it really needs an artist who excels at body language and facial expressions. Milne is not too hot on both as yet. I'm sure he's trying his best, he just ain't ready for professional publication yet. Which is a harsh statement though it is my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of Don Figuero's art style, for example, but he's at least learned to tell a story and I could follow his work on last week's Prime Spotlight just fine.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 09:48 AM Reply #10
I thought the change in tone from #1 to #2 was utterly awful. Making the Autobots look like the bad guys struck me as rather hackneyed and clichéd at best, Megatron pulling a group together and then starting a almost socialist revolution in #1 and then all of a sudden becoming an underground solo-warrior in #2 just didn't fit together at all. It was like, make Megatron look sympathetic, check, make Megatron look like bad-ass check, etc, etc.
Doesn't sit together well for me and the portrayal of various Autobots isn't in keeping with previous iterations (in IDW) of Autobot techniques, the dialogue also gives Megatron almost a surreal mash of internal idealogy.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 10:01 AM Reply #11
What? I didn't get any of what you are all saying from reading those first two issues. Mind you, I only read them once, so I may have missed a lot of it.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 10:54 AM Reply #12
In issue #1 Megatron leads a mining revolt against an oppressive regime ala Arthur Scargill.
In issue #2 Megatron is a underground pit fighter ala Jean Claude Van Damme in bloodsport.
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Old post 06/09/07 at 06:45 PM Reply #13
In issue #3 someone shits all over the page for 22 pages, then there's some ads.
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Old post 07/09/07 at 09:50 AM Reply #14
Some things that I don't understand about this issue:
It seems Megatron gets overpowered too easily on page 19.
Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?
Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?
Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?
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Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?
Presumably, Ratbat has arranged for his release. He's a senator, he can do that. And we know Soundwave as working with him from last issue.
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Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?
The "You" is pretty irrelevant - he's just ordered the closest 'bot to hand to kill the "him" - the "him" being Starscream, because Starscream is about to make a deal to get himself off by blabbing all of Megatron's secrets.
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Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?
That's Ratbat.
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Old post 07/09/07 at 10:43 AM Reply #16
"It seems Megatron gets overpowered too easily on page 19."
They could have gone for the OMAC homage. They didn't. Another mark against Milne.
"Why does Soundwave get released without seemingly receiving any kind of punishment?"
Either because of his telepathic abilities or his connections with Ratbat.
"Who does Megatron say "You! Kill him!" to and who is the "him" in question?"
"You" I suspect is Starscream, who is in the process of selling him out. "Kill him" is directed at everyone else in the cell. Took me three reads to figure that out.
"Who is the individual on page 11 who says "This has gotten out of control"?"
I have no idea.
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Old post 09/09/07 at 10:34 PM Reply #17
Milne is getting a lot of flak and its well deserved. But I'm not convinced Holmes' storytelling abilities are that great either. The origin of Megatron/Decepticons is a great idea but the plot is not the easiest to follow. I put that down to 70% art and 30% writing.
It was suggested by a previous poster that he should get another shot at writing. I think the chances of that depend on sales of Meg Origin, and judging by the fact people are willing to drop the book midway I wouldn't expect big numbers for this one. I think Eric Holmes will have his work cut out getting another gig. Maybe, if he's lucky, he can do a spotlight and if he gets a different artist we'll see how good or otherwise his storytelling is.
I'm finding myself reading this book and longing for those Marvel text boxes that used to spell things out. People shouldn't have to read a comic two or more times to know what is going on.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 11:50 AM Reply #18
I bought this and while I agree there is a lot of potential on the writing side I wish I hadn't because I know I will be a completist and buy #4 when I should've dropped this series after #2.
There were some things I liked, but they were outwayed by things I didn't (Elita-1 for instance - No, no, no!) and the parts of the issue where I still have absolutely no idea what is going on.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 11:54 AM Reply #19
It would appear I am finally over my completist urge when it comes to Transformers comics. I bought issue 1 and that was enough for me.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 01:51 PM Reply #20
I seem to be finding it easier to decipher the art than everyone else - but it's still a pain in the butt. Which is a pity because the strip's okay: it continues the point from #2 that the pit fights are making everyone involved get worse and worse, the growing undercurrent of escalating terrorist attacks is nice, and I'm wondering if Starscream is being genuinely treacherous or if Megatron has set this all up for some reason & Starscream's in on it. Note the dialogue on page 13 - Starscream has been given a task and he's unsure what it's for. Shortly afterwards the Autobots attack (conviniently knowing where everyone is) and Starscream, who Megatron told "everything", turns snitch. It could go either way here...
And I still like the basic idea that Megatron was an average guy who just happened to be in the right place at the right time, capitalising on something that already existed; the instability and violence was inevitable (though Megs is making it a lot worse). That's a new take.
It does have its flaws though - for a start, when did the Decepticons capture Decimus? And as noted, the events of issue 1 seem disconnected from the underground fighting plot. But what confuses me is Ratbat is worried things are getting out of control with the Decepticons. But Ratbat was obviously arming them via Soundwave! What did he think was going to happen?!
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Old post 10/09/07 at 02:35 PM Reply #21
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It would appear I am finally over my completist urge when it comes to Transformers comics.
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We shall see how strong you are when the inevitable Timelines #3 comes out next year for Botcon...
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Old post 10/09/07 at 02:50 PM Reply #22
An interview with Alex Milne.
Gah! Pat Lee annoys me so much. I am filled with rage. Milne's work is not to my taste, but he shouldn't have been mucked around like that at all.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 03:31 PM Reply #23
Is Pat Lee solely driven by hate for his fellow man?
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Old post 10/09/07 at 03:58 PM Reply #24
The man is a total piece of scum. Folks need to ensure they avoid buying anything with his name on it and eventually the business will wise up and fuck him off entirely.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 07:28 PM Reply #25
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Is Pat Lee solely driven by hate for his fellow man?
I think it is less hatred of his fellow man than a misplaced feeling of superiority. Mr Lee does appear to believe he is superior to the other jobbing artists out there - an opinion his body of work does not support. He is one of the few names that will immediately make me avoid a product at all costs.
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Old post 10/09/07 at 08:34 PM Reply #26
Pat Lee I have no respect for.
Alex seems like a nice enough guy. He spent a lot of time on sketches at Botcon. I got him to draw Goldbug
I'm sure with some experience his finished product will improve immensely.
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Old post 11/09/07 at 04:55 PM Reply #27
Hmmm, got my copy today. The art is variable, but I thought the script was piss-poor. Theres nothing exceptionally new, some of it wanders down "intense fanwank" territory and as a whole its an enormous disappointment. It's almost like reading a Brad Mick comic....
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Old post 12/09/07 at 12:27 AM Reply #28
Actually it reminds me a lot of Brad Mick. I haven't been this confused by a script and body of art since Micromasters... and well, we all know how that ended (or not as the case may be). Issue #4 will need to sparkle to avoid this series sinking without trace.
Thank God Devastation starts this month.
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Old post 13/09/07 at 07:37 PM Reply #29
It's funny Brad Mick should be mentioned, as the first page of Megatron #3 has such a momentous fan wank moment I am surprised that all copies weren't distributed with the pages already stuck together.
I am of course referring to the rubsign moment. It happened in the second Transformers: Generation One miniseries by Dreamwave and it happened here. I never thought I'd see the day. Not from IDW, no, not from IDW.
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Old post 13/09/07 at 07:45 PM Reply #30
I had managed to blank it from my mind till you mentioned it. Thanks for that.
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