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Post by primenova on Feb 14, 2011 9:30:16 GMT
Out of all the cartoons
G1 pilot to Animated end
What is the one epsiode that is the best & which is the worst one [not just saying an whole series for that]
[NOTE : headmaster & masterforce, victory zone are included but Beastwars japan only ones are not due to not being on DVD release in UK or the Gobots Transformers series - they only released about one video of that or the animorphs which most of us didnt watch]
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Post by blueshift on Feb 14, 2011 9:51:57 GMT
It is probably fairer to do it per series, otherwise Code of Hero would probably sweep the boards!
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 14, 2011 9:56:40 GMT
I was going to say Code of Hero anyway.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 14, 2011 10:01:25 GMT
Code of Hero overrated. Too much whining and angst.
Best episode: something from Masterforce, though hard to say what as they aren't really standalone. Too many perfect episodes to choose from.
Worst episode: probably something from one of the series I haven't seen.
Martin
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Post by primenova on Feb 14, 2011 12:25:48 GMT
But does character driven beat full action? I know that Armada/Energon/Cybertron Animated series 3 have been released on DVD [the first 3 only got just a few from series 1 released in the UK] But Sky1, Toonami & CITV have repeated them a few times. Everything else is DVD accessable.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 14, 2011 13:10:29 GMT
But does character driven beat full action? Absolutely. If the audience doesn't feel anything for the characters, then action sequences are just 'stuff happening'. See the Star Wars prequels for examples of this! |
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Post by andrewbcalculating on Feb 14, 2011 13:35:41 GMT
I'm no good at analysing writing so my choices are based on visual aesthetics; my best episodes are Call Of The Primitives and Endgame Part 3: Seeds Of The Future.
My worst would be Carnage In C-Minor.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 14, 2011 14:43:56 GMT
Now see, I actually LIKE Carnage in C Minor. True it turns out to be not very good, but I appreciate that they tried to do something really experimental, rather than the plodding banal stuff that seems to be what most TF media today is made up of.
Now, had they done Carnage in C Minor as a proper MUSICAL, well...
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 14, 2011 14:56:06 GMT
A lot of movie franchises (like Shrek, Spider-Man, etc.) do end up having Broadway musicals.
So, you never know...
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2011 18:59:04 GMT
It is probably fairer to do it per series, otherwise Code of Hero would probably sweep the boards! It's not that grand. It's a decent episode but the vast acclaim it garners puzzles me. And Dinobot comes back from the dead anyway, so the end is pointless. -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 14, 2011 19:10:54 GMT
Best episode - Dark Awakening.
Worst Episode - Kremzeek.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 14, 2011 19:15:59 GMT
Actually that is a lie - The Rebirth is the best.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 14, 2011 19:29:38 GMT
Actually that is a lie - The Rebirth is the best. [pedant]The Rebirth is three episodes / an entire season.[/pedant] OK, looking at it in terms of the effect it had on the Transformers' subsequent plotlines and character portrayals, my worst episode is the animated movie. It's obviously not the worst taken by itself, but I do consider it to be the worst due to the precedents it set and the influence it had. (Others may think the same of the live-action films, which clearly aren't the worst stories in the whole of Transformerdom, but have such influence and importance that they shape the entire direction of the franchise for years to come, whereas many worse episodes can be more easily ignored. And OK, they're not cartoons, but still.) Just one way of looking at it. And if I look at it that way, my best episode would have to be the first Masterforce episode, which set the story going in a direction I consider as positive as the way the Movie set it going was negative. (I.e. treating the robot characters differently from human characters, setting the stories on Earth, having robots in disguise amongst us, etc.) Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2011 19:37:38 GMT
Personally, I find the movies to be a complete failure of imagination and poor scripting of the highest order. They coast by purely on visuals and the score.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 14, 2011 19:54:48 GMT
Personally, I find the movies to be a complete failure of imagination and poor scripting of the highest order. They coast by purely on visuals and the score. -Ralph Though could you honestly say that there are no cartoons or comics in the whole of Transformerdom that are less imaginative or less well scripted? I would admit that there are numerous episodes of lower quality of writing than my 'worst' episode (the animated movie) - and that I wouldn't resent its existence at all if it only had the same status and wider influence as a normal episode. I know I'm judging it by a different standard because of its prominence. (And similarly I think those who love either the animated or the live-action movies probably give them more credit than the stories deserve, thanks to the high production values.) Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2011 20:04:28 GMT
Personally, I find the movies to be a complete failure of imagination and poor scripting of the highest order. They coast by purely on visuals and the score. -Ralph Though could you honestly say that there are no cartoons or comics in the whole of Transformerdom that are less imaginative or less well scripted? Martin Yes! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 14, 2011 20:05:55 GMT
Though could you honestly say that there are no cartoons or comics in the whole of Transformerdom that are less imaginative or less well scripted? Martin Yes! -Ralph OK, cool.  Martin |
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Post by legios on Feb 14, 2011 22:14:46 GMT
Hmmm. This puts me in a bit of a bind. My favourite Transformers animated series (Masterforce and Beast Machines), like all my favourite animated series are built much more around continous story structures rather than being heavily episodic. So the real meat of what makes them good is in the way they tell stories over the long form rather than individual stand-out episodes.
As best episode I will nominate *closes eyes, picks at random* the final episode of Masterforce, for being a fine ending that rises out of and is driven by the themes and the individual elements of the story, weaving them all into a impressive final tapestry.
Worst Episode is probably Kreemzeek - I wasn't drunk when I saw it, but it made me feel like I was for all the sense it made - except for the fact that if I had been as drunk as it seemed like I was I would never have been able to remember it afterwards.
Karl
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Post by primenova on Feb 15, 2011 9:24:05 GMT
The Movie suffered from the re writes & them not changing the scenes to reflect the change. IE Ultra Magnus still falling downwards & the matrix dropping down to Galvatron.
But does the animated effect your choices? Is there an episode that as a good story but is not on your list due to the animation.
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 15, 2011 9:28:58 GMT
If The Transformers: The Movie counts, then it would be my worst "episode".
I stick by Code of Hero, but as a series I would say that Masterforce is better than Beast Wars.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 15, 2011 9:32:30 GMT
If The Transformers: The Movie counts, then it would be my worst "episode". I stick by Code of Hero, but as a series I would say that Masterforce is better than Beast Wars. Whilst I think most of the G1 cartoon is utterly terrible, I do think that the Movie is genuinely amazing. I like Code of Hero, but it definately has its weaknesses, mostly that the violence against the Predacons is very 'loony-tunes', ie they take ridiculous amounts of damage, which makes the damage Dinobot takes to kill him have less impact. I mean, if Tarantulus can get crushed completetly flat by a rock, why does Dinobot /die/ after getting shot a bit? |
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 15, 2011 9:35:37 GMT
Whilst I think most of the G1 cartoon is utterly terrible, I do think that the Movie is genuinely amazing. I agree about the cartoon, but while I respect your opinion, I'm afraid I vehemently disagree about the movie. |
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Post by primenova on Feb 22, 2011 12:40:35 GMT
I've just finished watching Armada - series one does have a few in it that is the main reason people take the series being dreadful. But the non DVd released series 2 is watchable - not awful like the first few from series 1.
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Post by primenova on Mar 4, 2011 13:56:14 GMT
I'm currently at Omega Prime & Shockblast dead in series 2 of Energon. Team Optimus Prime is nearly as bad as the one on the 2 DVD releases when what would have been on Energon v3 would have been the good episodes. At least Downshift is getting called by his right name know. Just a few more to go to get to Sixshot turning up.
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