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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 9, 2012 17:27:07 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 10, 2012 0:18:15 GMT
That's a colossal dick move there, think I may have to seriously consider whether or not I continue to buy any Marvel products. That is dreadful behaviour.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 10, 2012 19:52:02 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 11, 2012 0:20:26 GMT
Should you feel so inclined you can donate money to Gary here: www.steveniles.com/gary.htmlI gave the money I would have spent on the Ghost Rider film. Andy |
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Post by verity on Feb 14, 2012 21:50:20 GMT
Am I the only one who's got a different perspective on this? Marvel sued him for selling prints of art he neither created nor owned the copyright for, and they only did so after he sued them. That's a lot different than Marvel sueing him out of the blue for convention sketches or something. And they might never go after that money for reals anyway.  |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 15, 2012 8:11:46 GMT
Indeed. I don't think this is as black and white as The Internet is screaming about. As an aside, I can't fault people's efforts to help out a 69 year old bankrupt though, whatever the background issues.
-Ralph
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Post by verity on Feb 15, 2012 8:45:10 GMT
Nah. That's nice. It's just that I really can't see Marvel as the Big Bad here. They'd have left him alone if he'd never come after them in the first place. That just... wasn't a smart thing to do and it ended up being this big mess.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 16, 2012 2:28:58 GMT
Well in all fairness several other creators sued Marvel for more money from the movies - Marv Wolfman over Blade and even Stan Lee himself.
I have no objections to Marvel smacking him down in terms of the ownership claims, but the punitive counter-suing a bankrupt pensioner is pretty poor.
Andy
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Post by verity on Feb 16, 2012 8:32:33 GMT
Well, the legal battle was still going on at that point - I guess they just took whatever they could to make their own case stronger. And you gotta admit, the guy made it pretty easy for them to do that.
Also his age and financial state is not Marvel's fault.
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Post by Benn on Feb 16, 2012 9:56:32 GMT
Also his ... financial state is not Marvel's fault. It is now! |
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Post by verity on Feb 16, 2012 10:15:43 GMT
IF they even come after the money. It sounds more trouble than it's worth. He hasn't got it anyway!
(which begs the question: what is he gonna use to fund the appeal?)
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 16, 2012 18:11:39 GMT
It's not known if Marvel will actually pursue the fine or if it is some legal jockeying. No-one comes out of this looking good.
-Ralph
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Post by verity on Feb 16, 2012 18:48:22 GMT
That's legal cases for you. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 17, 2012 19:14:35 GMT
I have empathy for his situation, but not sympathy. He pretty much did it to himself, alas. I do think he was badly advised, however, and hopefully Marvel will do the gentlemanly thing and not chase him for the cash. By all accounts the man is in a bad way and it's never nice (or even morally right) to kick someone when they're down, even if their situation is partly as a result of their own actions.
The desired outcome here would be for him to get decent legal advice, drop the appeal, be left alone by Marvel and for the funds being donated to him to be of some help in his personal life.
-Ralph
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Post by verity on Feb 18, 2012 21:09:27 GMT
I think this sums it up pretty well: link |
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