kayevcee
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Post by kayevcee on Feb 23, 2013 16:12:12 GMT
The Friends minifigures can still wear all the hats and wigs that regular minifigures can, the hands can grip the same items and the feet can stand on the same studs. I think they only lack the back-of-leg sockets and they're a bit taller so they don't always fit in the standard vehicles. The latter is a pity but otherwise I think they're close enough. It's great to see them doing well.
MLP Kre-o, on the other hand, I would be all over like shit on velcro to borrow Mr Turnbull's vernacular.
-Nick
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Post by Toph on Apr 9, 2013 22:07:20 GMT
news.toyark.com/2013/04/09/star-trek-kre-o-new-images-84745Star Trek Kreos. Our first really good look at the sets that aren't the enterprise. The BoP looks like it'll be a fun set. Not terribly fond of it as a re-design of the traditional BoP, but I'll hold off judgement of that until we see the real ship in the movie. But that doesn't make the set look any less fun. The Gorn (I think?) appears to be holding his own tail. Way to screw that up, picture takers! Only real complaint I have is the same as before. That the Enterprise was forced to be an out of scale playset, instead of a stand alone build on her own merrits. If it had to serve as a playset too, then they should have taken a page out of the Kreo TF playbook and made it rebuild into a playset.
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Post by blueshift on Apr 9, 2013 22:28:23 GMT
Wow uh, those do not look nice!
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Post by Toph on Apr 9, 2013 23:44:01 GMT
I like them. The enterprise (mostly), the BoP, the shuttle, and the kreons. Will only get the halfassed playsets to support the line, and for the kreons.
But the problem with trek is that it does not have any small manned vehicles, like Star Wars does. And the ships it does have are all very round and curvy and oddly shaped. Not something that lends itself well to being made from blocks.
I think the best thing they could do, to cut the number of massive expensive complete sets, is to split the bridge crew into twos, and each one comes with their iconic post, all combining together to create a full scaled bridge playset. (I've probably said this already)
Let the ships stand on their own merits, and don't force them to act as playsets or small manned crafts.
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Post by Toph on May 10, 2013 0:50:19 GMT
Picked up all six Kreon blind packs, as well as the Sulu/Spock shuttlecraft set.
First... if Hasbro does not reuse the Gorn legs for the bases of a BM Cheetor kreon... there is no justice in the world.
Second... Keenser makes me desparately want a CB Banacafalata.
For everyone interested, the ID numbers for these guys on package are:
Nero- 30711 05
Keenser- 30711 06
Lt. Sprog- 30711 07
Klingon- 30711 08
Gorn- 30711 09
Grasia- 30711 10
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Post by Toph on May 17, 2013 23:25:09 GMT
TRU had a Buy one, get one half off sale, which resulted in me picking up both the Enterprise and the Bird of Prey.
Like the Kreons, these are better than they look in the pictures.
The Enterprise is both surprising and disappointing at the same time. What I criticized most were her proportions, and that they shoehorned a vastly out of scale bridge into her saucer (I hate it when toys do that). The bridge is actually a fair bit better than I thought.
Also, she's really stable. There's some ingenious and unconventional ways to attached the saucer and the nacells to the stardrive.
The bad- She's fairly useless to reconstruct or repurpose the set. What I was most thrilled about originally was the possibility of kitbashing my own starships. But, the wntire star drive is almost wholey one piece. And a nice chunck of the important part of the nacells is also part of this one giant piece. So that's a massive let down. I was planning on going hog wild and getting as manyt sets as I could when I started finding them clearanced. Not any more. That said, it's still almost entirely made from completely unique pieces. So additional sets may be worth it for those.
I didn't realize that the light gimmick was different than the others, and as such did not buy batteries. So I don't know what the lights are like, yet.
BoP- This is a fun little ship to build. Only complaints are nitpicky- You have to lay the figure down to have him in the cockpit. But I've also encountered this with legos, like the A-Wing. Blegh. Also, the moving wings use the same ball joint pieces used for the Kreo TF articulation. So milage may vary, for me it results in one floppy wing. Would have rather some ratcheted pieces.
The Lightbrick gimmick worried me when we first heard about them worried me. But the lights are extremely bright, and used fairly cleverly for this and the shuttle. Here, it lights up the inside of the cockpit (Which looks REALLY good for a spaceship!), and is also filtered through a translucent red brick for a brilliant effect.
Shuttle- (Because I never said anything about it earlier) The shuttle is a letdown. It really to me feels like half a set. The "release spock" playfeature doesn't impress me (I chose to seal it), and it actually feels like it's unfinished. Like it needs about another quarter of the ship built and added onto it. Makes me actually want to buy another shuttle set and extend it. (Would require two more pieces for the nacells I don't think I have from any other set, two more struts I know I don't have, and more side palens and red pieces I don't have)
The light up gimmick lights the cockpit, and looks really good in use.
But, shuttle needs to be bigger.
Planning on getting the Transporter set so I can get a scotty kreon, but the airlock set is pretty redundant.
Now.. if they'll only give us Chekov, the bridge crew will be complete.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 17, 2014 14:53:01 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 17, 2014 14:56:43 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 17, 2014 18:02:01 GMT
If Kreo was a quality product I would be all over that Terrordrome!
Might try to get the instructions and build it from Lego...
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Feb 17, 2014 19:10:07 GMT
You'll need black and white garbed Ninjago men to be Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow so they can team-up to take the whole Terrordrome down in a mighty Ninja-bro teamup...
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 17, 2014 19:46:21 GMT
There are Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow Kreons. Infact there's an Urban Camo stormshadow due out soon.
I find Kreo a much better fit to the Joe brand than TFs. The Kreons worked well for the TFs but they didn't work as well with the vehicles and, in turn, the vehicles needing to be deconstructed to transform didn't work for TFs. Possible a more Action Master theme would have worked better.
If GI Joe Kreo had come out here I'd be buying the **** out of it.
So far just one Joe Kreon has passed through my hands. And that was a True Friend gfift for Andu.
The Joes have the characters for the figures and the vehicles & playsets for the kits. Job done.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 17, 2014 19:58:32 GMT
Kreo is made by Oxford, a cheap and nasty non-lego brick company. You can find their own brand stuff stinking up aisles in Smthys, etc. Poorly made and their minifigs are prone to stress marks straight out of packets.
I'd much rather Hasbro licensed their brands to Lego. Then their construction toys would be well made!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Feb 17, 2014 20:08:38 GMT
Yeah, all my Kreo purchases have ended in regret after the poorly made figures slowly crack under their own weight. Terrible quality control!
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Post by legios on Feb 17, 2014 21:41:20 GMT
I have only the one Kreon, an Optimus Prime which came with DWA, I saw the general reaction of others here to Kreo and went, ah - never mind then, other brick-based products are available and have never regreted that decision.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Feb 17, 2014 23:00:36 GMT
I dont have as much of an issue with quality, the blocks hold together pretty well. Don't give a shit about microchangers because i think they just look idiotic, so i dont have many kreons.
But I just think so far all the Kreo sets have been really poorly planned, and poorly designed.
I have no problem with rebuilding TF sets between robot and vehicle. There's an entire line dedicating to toys that convert themselves. A building block set is about the build.
What got me was how ridiculous it was to have Optimus Prime come with an optimus minifigure, instead of Spike, Sparkplug, Sam, Hi-Q, or any number of notable human companions from 30 years of fiction.
And for the TF minifigures, why no vehicles for them? Why no futuristic tanks or starfighters that can be rebuilt into small command bases? Where are the major locations like the autobot base, or the spacebridge, or omega supreme?
By the time they really seemed to figure this out, TF Kreo is literally on it's last leg with no store wanting them anymore.
Then come Star Trek. A deeper, richer franchise than TF. It's not as well suited for legos as Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it can't be excellent, right?
On top of that, it's largely an older, more intellectual fandom than Star Wars. This should tell you more of your target audience right here.
It's full of big ships, and iconic locations. What do we expect? Multiple starship sets, that range for multiple age groups. A smaller, simpler enterprise that's cheap enough for kids. And a larger, more intricate and detailed enterprise that's primarily intended for "advanced" collectors. Lego does this for star wars and it works brilliantly for them.
What else did we expect? Iconic locations. What are the four most iconic locations for any Star Trek? In this order: Bridge, Engineering, Transporter Room, Sickbay.
What did we get? None of this. We get really awkward recreations of scenes from the movie. We get an enterprise that tries to force a miniature bridge into it making it extremely disproportioned. On top of that, they fabricate a small handful or really giant pieces that make up the bulk of the build, so it's not even that fun, and can't easily be reused for something else if you decide to tear it down.
The Shuttle, and both klingon ships are a blast. The enterprise, and the destroyer ship not so much. The "transporter" and airlock sets are completely pointless, and uninspiring. But the kreons are fun.
Kreo needs an entirely new set of execs and creative teams behind them. They also need to find accomplished builders within the respective fan communities and bring them on bored.
If you find someone who built a really kickass Enterprise out of legos, that's the guy you want to hire and give him the option of using original pieces he designed to really bring the ship to life.
I'll admit that the Joe sets look like they have the right mindset. And the D&D has a lot of potential for multiple groups, and it looks like they have the right approach.
Cityville isn't even worth discussing.
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