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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 10, 2009 21:55:08 GMT
A couple of bits made me chuckle, but I can't help but feel that it was never meant to be a two parter. Will hopefully hold up better viewed completely.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 10, 2009 22:08:25 GMT
Disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 22:44:27 GMT
I thought that it was watchable and it was still better than the previous two series but I feel that it could have been much better. Hopefully the second part tomorrow will be better but I doubt it.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 11, 2009 7:23:36 GMT
Gave it a go and didn't find it particularly funny, but then I've never found 'Red Dwarf' particularly funny. I certainly didn't find the repeated episode that followed it ('Gunmen of the Apocalypse') anything to write home about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 9:35:04 GMT
I actually quite liked Gunmen of the Apocalypse. It was one of the better episodes of series 6 and even had Denis Lill in it playing a completely different character to what he was best known for in Only Fools and Horses.
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 11, 2009 9:59:11 GMT
The episode had absolutely no pacing, and no Holly. Double fail.
However, they seemed to return the Cat to his series 1/2 personality, which was definitely a step in the right direction.
But no answer to the series 8 cliffhanger, which had Red Dwarf exploding from the outside in with Rimmer trapped aboard and the rest of the crew in a parrallel universe, aside from "Nine years later" was absolutely pathetic.
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Post by Hero on Apr 11, 2009 10:04:07 GMT
I managed to catch it on Dave Ja Vu after forgetting the show was on that day. A Facebook status from Paul Cannon reminded me 10 minutes before catching the repeat. Ta Paul.
I liked it, but I'm not sure if the more modern day pacing and editing suited Red Dwarf's style. I'm glad they got the cast back to have a stab at a new adventure though.
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Post by blueshift on Apr 11, 2009 11:03:36 GMT
I wouldn't say it was 'modern day pacing' really. I think thats just an excuse for lazy plotting. There are plenty of current dramas and comedies with fast pacing, or at least attempts at plot and humour.
Even my mum, a very occasional Red Dwarf viewer was a bit confused at the start, though I can understand why they didn't make it continuity heavy.
I can't understand why it wasn't funny though!
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 11, 2009 11:39:46 GMT
Can it be that Red Dwarf was always a show where we needed the canned laughter to let us know something was funny?!
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Post by Cullen on Apr 11, 2009 11:54:44 GMT
Completely forgot this was on! However I'm sure Dave will repeat it every night for the next 10 years so I'm not worried.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 11, 2009 12:19:49 GMT
Even my mum, a very occasional Red Dwarf viewer was a bit confused at the start, though I can understand why they didn't make it continuity heavy. I can't understand why it wasn't funny though! My parents are casual watchers too, and their response after was "it's not as good as the old ones, is it?!" and then deleting it off the Record list. |
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Post by Gav on Apr 11, 2009 12:50:02 GMT
I think that the lack of canned laughter was a contributing factor in the apparent backlash on the new episode. As lame as that sounds, I think Red Dwarf needs that backing track. Some shows need it - some don't.
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 11, 2009 13:50:06 GMT
I liked it, some flatness, but somehow i expected worse. Plus Cat was indeed at his best for a long time.
Apparently tonight is better and it probably will work better as a complete show.
I missed the canned laughter to but got used to it, had the same experience watching hte extended editions which had no laughter either.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 11, 2009 14:48:40 GMT
As lame as that sounds, I think Red Dwarf needs that backing track. Some shows need it - some don't. Yeah, it gives the actor's an audience to play up to and play off of, as well as the whole "laughter is infectious" thing. Plus the outtakes are funnier when they play them up to the audience. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 11, 2009 20:32:37 GMT
What the-?!
That can't have been the same script writer on episode 2, surely?
"Scan. Project. Uncrop."
Now that was more like television that's worth watching.
And we got to see where Karla works...
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 11, 2009 20:43:17 GMT
Oh my god, that was so bad I can't believe it. How could the cast even bring themselves to be involved in episode 2. What a complete waste of time and money. Poo poo poo!!! Hmmm, exact opposite reaction to me, then. That was the first episode of Red Dwarf I've actually enjoyed. Maybe it's different from the perspective of someone who liked the series before. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 21:02:03 GMT
That was pretty woeful. The whole concept was also suspiciously similar to the plot of the decidedly iffy League of Gentlemen: Apocalypse movie (and probably a few other bad sci-fi shows over the years) - and it wasn't funny in that either. If they were going to nick an idea pay homage to something they could have at least gone with something that worked in the first place. A real shame.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 11, 2009 21:05:14 GMT
I've not seen it yet but that was my comic shop tonight.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 11, 2009 21:12:35 GMT
That was pretty woeful. The whole concept was also suspiciously similar to the plot of the decidedly iffy League of Gentlemen: Apocalypse movie (and probably a few other bad sci-fi shows over the years) - and it wasn't funny in that either. If they were going to nick an idea pay homage to something they could have at least gone with something that worked in the first place. A real shame. It worked all right for Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck half a century ago. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 21:21:00 GMT
I've just watched it and can't believe how terrible it was. Breaking the 'fourth wall' is never funny in a TV show but they did it tonight. The second episode reminded me of the awful Arnold Schwartzenegger film Last Action Hero where a character sets foot in reality and realises that he is nothing more than a character in a TV show or film. The episode was worse than the first one and, dare I say it, the worst Red Dwarf episode ever made.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 11, 2009 21:43:28 GMT
The difference is, in Last Action Hero the character realises he doesn't know how things work here and is now vulnerable - the Red Dwarf crew aren't really impacted that much, they can do exactly the same stuff they normally do.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 11, 2009 21:53:28 GMT
The difference is, in Last Action Hero the character realises he doesn't know how things work here and is now vulnerable - the Red Dwarf crew aren't really impacted that much, they can do exactly the same stuff they normally do. They have to, because they haven't escaped from the episode, they're still playing it out as per the synopsis they read on the back of the DVD box. Which makes me curious to know how they'll interact with the writer of the story they're in, and still remain true to his script. Or will they deviate from the script? Maybe I, the non-fan, am the only one interested in finding out... Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Apr 11, 2009 22:53:55 GMT
That was absolutely awful. Seriously, what the hell Red Dwarf?
The only funny bit was the camera gag, and it did go on for a bit. But honestly, its looking irredeemable at the moment.
Also most damningly it just isn't funny!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 23:09:35 GMT
It worked all right for Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck half a century ago. Martin Oh, of course playing with the idea of the relationship between the on-screen world and the audience/creators is as old as the hills and goes right back to the silent era. I was referring to the exact plot of sitcom characters escaping from their fictional world to beg the writers for more material to prolong their existence which seems to have been lifted directly from The League of Gentlemen: Apocalypse. Duck Amuck is also a slightly different kettle of fish since part of the joke there is that Daffy exists in a malleable universe and knows that he is a cartoon character so his reaction of raging at the increasingly maniacal animator fits in with his situation. Breaking the fourth wall doesn’t compromise the integrity of the cartoon because there weren’t any rules to Daffy’s animated world to begin with. Indeed, if he'd have jumped off the page and had it out with Chuck Jones it wouldn't have been at all out of place within the logic of the cartoon (though it wouldn't have been half as funny as the Bugs denouement). Duck Amuck is also a classic work of art where as back to Earth is, well, poo. And that’s the thing. If Back to Earth had been funny the whole “it was all a sitcom all the time” thing might not have mattered because it would have got lost in the laughter. As it stands the weak comedy makes the whole pissing on the concept of the original funny Red Dwarf shows thing even more pronounced. The Red Dwarf crew have always thought they were real despite living in an absurd continuity-light universe and their reaction to finding out that they were "fictional" didn't really sit right with the existing feel of the show. In fact the last time they tangled with a squid and ended up thinking they weren't who they originally thought they were they ended up trying to kill themselves. God, I hadn't noticed the Back to Reality parallels before. Geez, so not only does Back to Earth rip-off The League of Gentlemen movie the but it casually incorporates elements of one of the best episodes from the glory days of the show to really complete the hollow cash-in feel to this whole affair. Doug Naylor really shouldn’t have bothered. |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 12, 2009 0:15:59 GMT
Better than yesterday's, but still has cack bits - Rimmer bumping off the other hologram is a highlight, but WHY HAVE HER IN THE FIRST PLACE? And why suddenly have Kochanski not dead? In fact the last time they tangled with a squid and ended up thinking they weren't who they originally thought they were they ended up trying to kill themselves. God, I hadn't noticed the Back to Reality parallels before. Damn, that's a good point. |
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Post by blueshift on Apr 12, 2009 9:10:55 GMT
God that was awful. Toe-curlingly embarressing to watch.
"I watch Red Dwarf all the time on the DAVE CHANNEL"
Christ. Seriously. Christ. (It's easter, I know, sorry).
Even if it turns out to be some sort of Back To Reality sequal it is still bad, because it just isn't funny / amusing / entertaining / anything.
There were 2-3 midly funny bits in this episode, but it really wasn't enough
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2009 9:50:09 GMT
Rimmer bumping off his replacement hologram makes no sense at all. She was a hard-light hologram which can withstand any kind of attack as proven in earlier episodes such as Legion and Gunmen of the Apocalypse so how come a car could easily get rid of her?
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 12, 2009 10:53:14 GMT
I'd guess it can't. It was just a joke, and she'll be back again tonight. After all, there's still a lot of mystery around her, like how Red Dwarf could sustain two holograms at once, why is she hard light when that technology was invented by a being which amalgamated the intelligence of several geniuses that existed isolated on a space station deep in the middle of an uncharted galaxy, and why she seemed to appear with no explanation as soon as the lethiathan left the Red Dwarf dimension.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 12, 2009 11:20:58 GMT
Oh god. I'd actually forgotten I'd watched Part 2 until just now.
I'll admit I liked the gag that the Red Dwarf future started using videos after DVDs...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2009 13:10:50 GMT
There was far too much wrong with the second episode. One gag that is likely to backfire badly is that in 'reality' there were ten series of Red Dwarf made. As we know there was only eight so, unless Dave does go ahead and make two more new series that takes place before Back to Earth (which would hopefully answer a few questions posed in Back to Earth) this joke is going to fall flat on its arse. It was also an insult to tie the show in with Coronation Street. Any die-hard Red Dwarf fan would no doubt be up in arms over the end of the second episode especially if they not fans of Coronation Street.
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