Politics

[blueshift]

Can I marry one of you to get Scottish citizenship for when you declare independence and rejoin the EU??

[Dezzeh]

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{Spoiler - Contains bad words.}Piss Fuck.

[browny87]

i am very unnerved and unsettled by this vote. let the chaos commence

[The Doctor]

Bit of a shame the UK has caught Moron Disease.

-Ralph

[Marc Graham]

Northern Ireland is significantly impacted by this. We get a lot of EU funding for peace initiatives, we have a land border with the EU and we compete for investment on the grounds of our ability to access EU marketplace at low labour cost/native English speaking.

Leaving destroys a lot of that, opens a barrel of worms regarding what is going to happen with the border and cross border workers/trade. Given that the majority of NI voted to remain and that many don't want to be in the UK, but do want to be in the EU it is not a particular good time.

[blueshift]

And yet it was only 45-55 in Ireland, have people gone mad? And Wales voted leave overall and the EU is where their budget comes from.

I feel like I'm living in some weird unfunny satire.

[jameso]

Really don't understand the Wales vote.

[Dezzeh]

Wonder how many people today have had discussions about emigrating to a country an EU country/country in the trade zone

[The Doctor]

Folk will be heading for Scotland if 'Indyref 2' happens

-Ralph

[Dezzeh]

Mrs Dez has already suggested it, her family live in Drumnadrochit anyway

[Grand Moff Muffin]

According to my surname, I'm Scottish! Och! The noo!

Wales is weird.

Martin

PS Corbyn needs to go. Bloody useless.

[The Doctor]

Jun 24, 2016 15:30:18 GMT Dezzeh said:

Mrs Dez has already suggested it, her family live in Drumnadrochit anyway

Thing is, I was very much in the minority in the Scottish referendum it that I was genuinely indifferent. Wasn't bothered which way it went. It had just never been an issue in my life either way at all. Voted purely on a random whim of closing my eyes and seeing which box the pen was closest too. Didn't bother watching the results coverage. The only factor which would have influenced me firmly deciding either way was if Scotland voted to stay in the EU but overall the UK voted to leave. To my surprise that condition has now been met. Roll on 'Indyref 2'.

-Ralph

[Philip Ayres]

[Fortmax2020]

Very disappointing result.

I'm still scratching my head over the millions of people who couldn't be arsed to vote as well.

[Pinwig]

I'm as speechless now as I was at six this morning when I got up. I genuinely feel ashamed to be English at the moment.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

If you haven't had enough democracy yet... to the polls!!!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Martin

[The Doctor]

I see the economy is tanking already. I hope the idiots who decided to wheelbarrow us out of Europe are happy.

-Ralph

[The Doctor]

Jun 25, 2016 12:16:17 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

If you haven't had enough democracy yet... to the polls!!!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Martin

It will make no difference but signed anyway.

-Ralph

[blueshift]

Same. I think it's too little too late but am still stunned that change is being instigated without an absolute majority (which in my experience meant 2/3rds though apparently other places it is 60%)

[Bogatan]

That is going up at a stunning rate.

[Philip Ayres]

Bit late now though sadly.

[blueshift]

Jun 25, 2016 12:41:38 GMT The Doctor said:

I see the economy is tanking already. I hope the idiots who decided to wheelbarrow us out of Europe are happy.

-Ralph

I find it interesting looking at the Daily Mail/Express sites. They have the ultimate FEAR headline but because they backed leave they need to be positive and upbeat about it.

So while the economy tanks they are calling everyone who is worried about it idiots because we are taking everyone else down with us and we will be fine as we are BRITISH AND GOT RID OF THE FOREIGNS

[legios]

I find it less interesting and more worrying. The whole "make your country great again. Deal with the X that are parasites on our country. <country> for the <country-people>" never really goes well as far as I can see from my reading of history.

I will be honest that, whilst I voted "no" in the previous secession referendum I will likely vote "yes" when the next one happens. What is odd is that my yes vote would be for the same reasons as my no vote was. I have a distrust of and distaste for narrow, inward-looking nationalism. I saw a fair amount of "vote to kick out the English. Send them all back home" sentiment in parts of Falkirk and Grangemouth in the previous campaign (and ran afoul of a "I hate all the English, if it was up to me I'd kill them all" attitude on one ocassion). But nothing to match the kind of thing that we have seen, and are continuing to see in the south of the country at the moment.The kind of toxic, outright racist mindset which seems to have been unleashed by the "leave" campaign quite frankly scares me.

From a political and social perspective I feel that I have no choice but to vote "yes" in a second Scottish referendum. It feels like the only way to salvage part of my country, even if it means chewing off two infected limbs to do it.

Which would then leave me with an invidious choice - stay, and have a hard border between myself and my family, and also surrender my hopes of ever working my way back to the part of the world where I was born (I kind of fancied retiring to the coast of South Wales if I could arrange it), or depart - knowing that I am going to be nearer at hand to my blood relatives, but will be living in a more xenophobic, close-minded and inward-looking nation. Bleargh.

(I should here say that I really do feel that Nicola Sturgeon is pretty much the only political party leader in this whole affair to come out looking the slightest professional. By contrast with Cameron's "you made me have a referendum I didn't want so I'm taking my ball and going home" demeanour, Farage's...no, not going to Godwin this conversation...and Boris Johnson's "what? Negotiations? Oh...whatever, yes. But I'm not Prime Minister yet so there is no point in talking about the little things until the one that matters is dealt with", she actually looks like she is trying to engage with the situation in some manner).

Karl

[The Doctor]

Jun 25, 2016 12:58:19 GMT Bogatan said:

That is going up at a stunning rate.

Currently at 2,584,622 signatures. Good grief!

-Ralph

[Bogatan]

It doesnt seem to be slowing down.

[Philip Ayres]

I'm unclear as to if they're calling for new legislation for future referendum or asking for an existing ruling to be invoked.

[The Doctor]

Jun 26, 2016 9:33:31 GMT Bogatan said:

It doesnt seem to be slowing down.

3,056,086 signatures

-Ralph

[blueshift]

Apparently it was actually set up in May by a Leave campaigner who wanted a revote if Remain won by a small margin

[Andy Turnbull]

I signed it, but I doubt much will come of it.

Meanwhile - Labour look to implode, with Corbyn sacking Hilary Benn (something he should have done when he did the Syria speech) and now Heidi Alexander resigning from the Shadow Cabinet.

Corbyn was not the man to lead Labour to an election victory, but I hoped he'd help them course correct so a new untainted candidate could come in and get them back into power.

I voted stay in the Scottish referendum, but I honestly can't see me voting that a second time around if we leave the EU.

Andy

[Andy Turnbull]

Crikey - labour haven't half imploded today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

I cannot see how Corbyn can remain in charge after today. I know the Labour membership voted him, but the Parliamentary Labour Party are not with him, and if the rumours are true that he deliberately held back the Labour Remain campaign then he has to go, and if it's true it's a disgusting betrayal.

Andy