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Post by Toph on Feb 1, 2013 0:04:44 GMT
I love Headmasters. I'm content with my originals, but the price of them has shot up in the past few years. I can see why someone with a fondness for the series or the concept but who either isn't old enough to have bought any the first time or who came into TF after the price-hike would fancy these new releases. Brainstorm looks weird with a regular face, though. I can see another third-party company making a traditional head for him, along with his infamous briefcase from MTMTE  -Nick Brainstorm has a briefcase in the new comic? This is the very first, and ONLY thing anyone's said about the post AHM era that has been the least bit remotely intriguing to me. |
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Post by kayevcee on Feb 1, 2013 20:32:58 GMT
Yup. There's Something in it. He won't say what it is, but from what we've seen of Brainstorm in MTMTE there's a good chance that giving it a shake to see if it rattles could erase a significant chunk of the universe. I adore MTMTE. It has its detractors but I think it's fantastic. James Roberts is an encyclopaedia of TF character knowledge and, more importantly, knows how to construct a narrative that has plots, sub-plots and arc-plots that weave across the entire storyline so far. In terms of story structure it actually feels a lot like Stan 'n' Jack's 60s Marvel work, with each issue being a complete story but with other stories beginning and ending across the months. Mysteries and unanswered questions usually only run for a few issues before being answered. The contents of Brainstorm's briefcase is one of the few that remain. RID is different. Much more serious in tone, and a quality comic in its own right. If it wasn't for MTMTE, it would be the best TF comic for years -Nick |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 1, 2013 22:42:05 GMT
To stay off topic what I love about MTMTE is that I just got around to reading issue 11 or 12 and realised it's virtually the first time (except maybe the annual) the story has gotten back around to what appeared to be the main plot for the comic back in issue 1. I haven't read any MTMTE or RID. But starting to wish I had. To ask a really shallow yet unappologeticly obsessive question- Which is the better Prowl story? |
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 1, 2013 23:01:02 GMT
Prowls one of the main stars of RID, but his cameos (mostly flashbacks) in MTMTE are quite brilliant.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 1, 2013 23:08:21 GMT
I haven't read any MTMTE or RID. But starting to wish I had. To ask a really shallow yet unappologeticly obsessive question- Which is the better Prowl story? Both have two volumes of trades available on Amazon. Buy them. Now. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 1, 2013 23:14:10 GMT
Mrs Shockprowl says she doesn't like you very much, Big Phil ('cos you keep giving me ideas about how to spend money). Personally, I Love ya!
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 1, 2013 23:15:31 GMT
I've seen the tpbs, think I'm gonna have to get stuck in.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 1, 2013 23:18:19 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 1, 2013 23:18:41 GMT
Or get the digital copies from comixology only £1.50 an issue. Catch up with all but the newest issue of each for just £18 each.
I have no idea how much the trades are on Amazon so might be better, but I figure I can hold off for any future bumper super fab editions.
Edit: Ta Phil.
Yeah at that price get the trades to catch up.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 1, 2013 23:23:10 GMT
I'll spin the comics stuff off to it's own thread in the morning when I can get to a computer.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 1, 2013 23:24:05 GMT
Thanks Phil!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 1, 2013 23:44:38 GMT
Done. Why postpone till the morning a job pain and insomnia will let you do now?
But it also let me check: you need to read MTMTE v1 before RID v1
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 2, 2013 0:00:29 GMT
Oh right, thanks!
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Post by primenova on Feb 2, 2013 19:48:16 GMT
2 reasons to buy these. 1 Transformers ongoing series. 2 not watered down story with splash pages for the whole issue like in bendis comics.
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Post by Jim on Feb 2, 2013 23:49:37 GMT
Yup. There's Something in it. He won't say what it is, but from what we've seen of Brainstorm in MTMTE there's a good chance that giving it a shake to see if it rattles could erase a significant chunk of the universe. I heard that when he opened it on Hydrus 4 the sun went out. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 3, 2013 19:55:36 GMT
nah, that was Hydrus 5 ;-)
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 23, 2013 21:35:57 GMT
Big Phil sent me some comics along with the Alien DVD box set! I really really enjoyed them! (Mrs Shockers is so mad at Phil...)
Things have certainly improved since AHM (which killed my interest in Transformers comics!)
The Optimus/Megatron issues were incredible well written. Such depth of character. The Chaos issue, what great art! Reminded me of Man of Iron (one of my all time favourites). And the first issue of MTMTE was brilliant. Me want trades now. It's just the writing. It's so different. Roberts has such a grasp of the characters, and even after one issue I (the reader) can tell he's planned out his story and knows exactly where it's going.
Big kisses for Big Phil!!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2013 0:15:46 GMT
Just in case anyone thinks I'm mad..... I already had Death Of & MTMTE1 in the MTMTE trade and am getting the next big IDW Omnibus thing which has got all the Roberts issues of the Transformers series within
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2013 9:54:01 GMT
I did read both series and thought they were well made comics. However, when, well, 'proper Transformers' came back in the form of a continuation of the Marvel run (Regeneration One) I realised that I pretty much had no interest anymore in the nth variants of Transformers that exist ( in various media). I think I've just had enough of reboots, to be honest. That's why new movie Star Trek holds no interest for me yet new TV Doctor Who does (it's not a reboot). Man and child, Marvel Transformers has always been the original and 'correct' version of Transformers. I wish the property had not slid into endless reboots post the Beast Machines show. A continuing storyline engaged me much more.
There's just something about getting back the 'proper' version of something that you invested so much energy in as a kid and young adult to make me not really need other versions anymore. These new IDW series are genuinely great comics, but for these reasons I'll pass on them for now. I may go back after Regeneration One finishes. I hope this does not sound strange and should not be interpreted as any form of complaint against the new stuff.
-Ralph
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Post by jasonw on Feb 24, 2013 20:01:36 GMT
I have to pick you up on a point there, Ralph.
Firstly, the new Star Trek movie series isn't technically a reboot, it's set in the original continuity with a timeline and canon that extends from Next Gen et al.
I love the way they did that. I despise reboots, and for that reason, I walked away from Joe after the Devils Due run. (still buy ARAH, but IDW's reboot with Dial Tone as a lady, didn't remotely interest me.)
When I comes to IDWs TF reboots, I'd ordinarily agree, if it wasn't for ReGen 1 being so poor, and RID and MTMTE so good. Therein lies the issue for me. Original Marvel, and to a lesser degree the Sunbow cartoon is my G1. Budiansky's take on Blaster. Shockwave killing everyone at the end of 4. Omega Supreme wiping out Megs and a bunch of cons. The Wreckers debut issue in Target 2006. These moments surprised me, amazed me, or intruiged me and left me wanting more, agonisingly waiting for the next issue.
This is exactly what RID and MTMTE are doing now. I was on a shoot last week when I saw RID had popped up on IBooks, and I snuck a read in between takes I was so desperate to find out what was going on. Someone literally had to prize my iPad out of my hands so we could start rolling again. Professional. :-)
Not getting this from ReGen 1, infact, it's leaving me cold.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2013 20:29:13 GMT
For me it's nowt to do with the quality or lack of quality of new IDW or Regen One as such (with the latter I don't think it's been too earth shattering after the cracking opening couple of issues). What I mean is that if I read an issue of Regen One and there's a scene with (for example) Soundwave I know it's the Soundwave from comics I read in 1987 rather than one of an nth number of characters called Soundwave from reboots and so I am automatically more invested and get more enjoyment to be honest. I just don't need a reboot of Transformers anymore. As I said, what I read of the new IDW stuff were very good comics. I just don't need them anymore as 'my' version is back. I wouldn't say any version of Transformers in comics is any better or worse (or less valid) than any others. Simply that I know which version I'd rather read and as I have less free time than in my 20's I'll stick with that for my TF comic fix. Hope that makes sense! No disrespect is meant towards creators on the new comic reboots or the fans of those series.
-Ralph
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Post by jasonw on Feb 24, 2013 21:55:38 GMT
Fair enough.
I just think of IDW Soundwave and Prowl as G1 Marvel Soundwave and Prowl anyway when I read it.
Really though, if you're a Star Trek fan pleeeeaaase check out that movie.
Repeat - Not a reboot, it's in continuity.
And it's brilliant!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2013 23:17:28 GMT
Oh the Star Trek is a reboot, a huge one. Take the original characters, tweak them and recast. It's a reboot and a reboot of the worst kind in that it pisses over everything that's gone before telling layout audience that it's been wiped out and never happened......... And in the process creating a huge continuity hole.
Now I can read the current two main IDW series and love them. They can sit there existing off to the side of everything that,s gone before happily enough for me. Partly because for me there's always been more than one version of Transformers (cartoon vs comic)
I hated the official continuation of the Transformers comic, G2, so much and was really looking forward to Regen 1 but it hasn't rocked my world in the first trade. MTMTE has been magnificent, it,s just a fab comic, with RID not falling that far behind. They work for me.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2013 23:22:51 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 25, 2013 7:38:36 GMT
I also hate reboots within a given medium of things that I love, though for things I'm _not_ a fan of (e.g. the Michael Keaton Batman movie series) a reboot like Batman Begins is a godsend.
I wanted to like G2 and RG1, but in both cases felt they were just too nasty and outside the spirit of the original and best TF comic series, as indeed was The Last Stand of the Wreckers.
MTMTE, however, is a lot of fun - the first official TF comic I've found a lot of fun since the Marvel series. And yet it _could_ have been spoilt for me for the reasons Ralph outlines, i.e. the fact that it is a Transformers reboot with some re-used character names/looks, such as Ultra Magnus and Cyclonus, with brand new personalities (and I don't read RID for that very reason). However, the entire set-up of MTMTE is so separate from the normal TF premise - we're flying through space rather than on Earth or Cybertron, and the war is over - and many of the core cast are Transformers that were either almost or wholly overlooked by the Marvel series. Plus there is on average one quick transformation to vehicle mode and back per issue, with everyone else spending the whole time in humanoid form.
I'm therefore able to look at the whole series sort-of cross-eyed and enjoy it as if it was a non-Transformers series about a bunch of colourful weirdos in space, with occasional homages towards a comic I used to buy about giant alien machines disguised amongst us.
Martin
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Post by legios on Feb 25, 2013 20:08:15 GMT
series about a bunch of colourful weirdos in space, with occasional homages towards a comic I used to buy about giant alien machines disguised amongst us. Martin If I might quote you slightly out of context I you have put your finger on exactly why I am enjoying MTME so much. I've been pondering this for a while and I think you've put your finger on it - I just like seeing that particular set of characters, their quirks and foibles, spark off each other. I think that is why it is the Transformers comic that I most look forward to each month. By contrast my interest in Robots in Disguise has been waning slightly in recent months as it veers back towards the "Autobots Vs Decepticons" and away from the politicking and skullduggery that had been its initial narrative. Karl |
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Post by jasonw on Feb 26, 2013 17:09:06 GMT
Oh the Star Trek is a reboot, a huge one. Take the original characters, tweak them and recast. It's a reboot and a reboot of the worst kind in that it pisses over everything that's gone before telling layout audience that it's been wiped out and never happened......... And in the process creating a huge continuity hole.. Gonna have to disagree with you massively there Phil. It doesn't wipe out what happened. That's still happening somewhere. By travelling back and screwing everything up, Eric Bana's character creates an alternate reality. One that could never have happened without the original having happened and still happening. It's a multiple dimension paradox, and a clever in-continuity way for the writers and director to carve themselves out a new playground to have fun in. Without pissing over the original. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 26, 2013 20:37:49 GMT
Yes I thought the 'new dimension' aspect of the New Star Trek was very clever. It leaves the old behind, and starts the new story in it's own alternate dimension.
As a reboot, and let's face it, it was an inevitable reboot, I didn't find it all bad, I just had/have issues with a lot of the goofy humor that was in it. Scotty in particular. Kirk would never slap Spock on the shoulder! I'm also concerned over the apparent tone of the sequel, seems like they're trying too hard somehow.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 26, 2013 20:48:15 GMT
End of the day, reboots are the way the world is. If they're good, like (IMO) Amazing Spiderman, Batman Begins, then they're brilliant. If they're ok (good and bad points), like Star Trek, then they're hit and miss with folkes. And obviously if they're pants then they're pants! Reboots in themselves aren't necessarily a bad thing, if there's room for them, and if if IF they're done well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 21:19:51 GMT
Holy batwings, MTMTE V.4 TPB cover has left me traumatised. Hopefully its all just a Bobby Ewing style dream, but Roberts wouldn't stoop to such tricks. I feel ill.
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