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[primenova]

A number of story concepts or elements have been picked up during RG1 from the Marvel run
- but what is the full list of story points that could have been picked up.

Matrix quest part one - we had the distrust of robots & the RoboMob Thunderwings crew.
But this was picked up from #52. Then this leads direct to G2 cons.
How long was Thunderwing off planet to set up the Robot Mob?

[Andy Turnbull]

The Roadjammers.

Given their technology that could have played a massive part in events on Earth.

Andy

[The Doctor]

I vaguely recall an old TMUK fanzine that was about the Roadjammers. Buggered if I can remember the name.

-Ralph

[primenova]

I was expecting to see then in the back ground of #0.

[chrisl]

Mar 8, 2014 14:20:05 GMT The Doctor said:

I vaguely recall an old TMUK fanzine that was about the Roadjammers. Buggered if I can remember the name.

-Ralph

Phil Birkett's "Continued Earthforce Wars" - most of the Roadjammer & Neo Knight stuff in there was written/drawn by Darren Grant.

[primenova]

Anyone remember the name of the female TV presenter Bob used on his last story. I wonder what happened to her & if Bob did her to counter Simon's 3 main female characters in the UK strip?

[Dave]

Mar 12, 2014 13:29:35 GMT primenova said:

Anyone remember the name of the female TV presenter Bob used on his last story

Cecilia Santiago

[KnightBeat]

Mar 4, 2014 10:12:33 GMT primenova said:

A number of story concepts or elements have been picked up during RG1 from the Marvel run
- but what is the full list of story points that could have been picked up.

Good idea for a topic. My suggestions are:

• The stupidity of Prime's decision to give up his life for a NPC and resultant storage on a 5 1/4 floppy disk for a year
• The impact of the Power/Headmaster process on the TFs who weren't killed on Klo
• The 2xth anniversary of Micromaster tag-team wrestling
• The relationship of the current timelines to the US Big Broadcast of 2006 story (Remember, it isn't Wreck Gar telling the story in the US continuity)

[Andy Turnbull]

Apr 5, 2014 23:12:19 GMT KnightBeat said:

Mar 4, 2014 10:12:33 GMT primenova said:

A number of story concepts or elements have been picked up during RG1 from the Marvel run
- but what is the full list of story points that could have been picked up.

Good idea for a topic. My suggestions are:

• The stupidity of Prime's decision to give up his life for a NPC and resultant storage on a 5 1/4 floppy disk for a year
• The impact of the Power/Headmaster process on the TFs who weren't killed on Klo
• The 2xth anniversary of Micromaster tag-team wrestling
• The relationship of the current timelines to the US Big Broadcast of 2006 story (Remember, it isn't Wreck Gar telling the story in the US continuity)

I never saw his decision to give uo his life as stupid. Given that it was a computer program that gave the Transformers life in the comics. Optimus didn't see the distinction in terms of life and wasn't aware they were NPC's.

Andy

[blueshift]

Apr 6, 2014 9:02:22 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

I never saw his decision to give uo his life as stupid. Given that it was a computer program that gave the Transformers life in the comics. Optimus didn't see the distinction in terms of life and wasn't aware they were NPC's.

Andy

I'm sure I made a big post about it somewhere here before, but I always thought that the point wasn't that Prime killed some NPCs, it was that they were doing the fight 'as-real' and the only way Prime could beat Megatron was by throwing away his ideals and cheating/killing. Yes, Megatron cheated, but he's the villain, he's expected to. Prime could only win by sinking to Megatron's level, and as such invalidated the whole thing and thus, lost.

[Fortmax2020]

I always thought it was a bit of both. Yes, Prime sinking to the Decepticon level is bad but unlikely to be a first and so just dumb to allow yourself to be destroyed because you can't look at yourself in the mirror anymore, especially when the wider Earth is under threat. I also don't see Prime making the distinction between NPCs and other lifeforms and so in his view he murdered innocents to get his own way no matter the benefit. *That* is why he lost and so forefeited his life... But then who knows what conversations he had with Ethan while everyone else was 'in game'..? And was that even Prime 'in' the game??

[blueshift]

Well the agreement with Megatron was that they would fight their final battle in the digital world and the loser dies, rather than let the Earth suffer. If Prime said "nuh-huh doesn't count" then that invalidates the whole thing. I mean, Megatron seemed oddly up for being exploded, there's a sense of some sort of honour system going on there.

[Andy Turnbull]

I always thought that if Megatron lost that before he let himself die, he would double cross Ethan and the Autobots somehow. I didn't see much honour in the character. He would exploit it for his own ends as with his dealings with Ratchet in Warrior School.

Andy

[primenova]

This issue was a follow on from Megatron sending Runabout Runamuck to challenge Prime - but this doesn't come across in the UK because we have the huge cap between the issues & also the events in Prey that do seem to follow on from Bob's story arc. So making you think the challenge is over.

[legios]

Apr 6, 2014 11:57:49 GMT blueshift said:

Well the agreement with Megatron was that they would fight their final battle in the digital world and the loser dies, rather than let the Earth suffer. If Prime said "nuh-huh doesn't count" then that invalidates the whole thing. I mean, Megatron seemed oddly up for being exploded, there's a sense of some sort of honour system going on there.

I agree with Andy on this one. Megatron makes a show of agreeing to the honorable ground rules of combat, all the time knowing that he doesn't intend to abide by the rules and will break them as soon as it is convenient - but as long as he plays along he knows that Prime will uphold the spirit of the agreement as well as the letter, giving Megs the advantage.

Likewise, Prime's decision that he has lost does feel very in character - I always read it that in desperation he allowed himself to think "they aren't real so it doesn't matter" and take an action that he knows is going to cause civilian casualties. Not, "we took the shot and accidentally killed civilians" but a full on "X bystanders will be killed but it will be worth it to kill Megatron". A knowing "kill X innocents now to save X+million later". A calculus that Prime has already been depicted in the UK run to reject. That's a piece of mathematics that Prowl is prepared to accept, but not Optimus. And I'd always read it as a steadfast determination that if it is a choice of abandoning your ethics or your life, then there can be know question - you lay down your life.

I think I am a rare individual for actually being inclined to agree with Prime's decision in "Afterdeath". It wasn't the strategically smart move, but it does feel like the "right" move.

Karl

[KnightBeat]

I guess it's the strategic vs moral decision that most interests me. Optimus sacrifices himself for his ideals, knowing that he will be leaving a gap for the Autobots to fill. He has no obvious successor and no way of knowing how Megatron will take advantage of the situation. Despite this, he's not challenged on his decision after his resurrection. Ideally, Ratchet/Prowl should have had a quiet word, explaining they understood his desire to sacrifice himself, but they've suffered as a result of his action and need him alive to lead them.