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Post by The Doctor on Oct 7, 2015 20:45:28 GMT
Bollocks!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2015 21:02:17 GMT
Optimus Primal-
Cheetor- CW Mirage in Transmetal colors
Rattrap- RotF Deadend
Rhinox-
Megatron- Gen Sandstorm in TM colors
Dinobot- Gen Springer
Scorponok-
Terrorsaur- Gen Armada Starscream, w/Jhiaxus wings
Waspinator- HftD Tomahawk
Tarantulas- Gen Crosscut in TM colors
Airazor- Windblade
Tigatron-
Silverbolt-
Depth Charge- Gen Scourge
Blackarachnia- Gen Chromia
Inferno- CW Alpha Bravo w/ Victorion version arms
Quickstrike-
Rampage- TFP Voy Megatron
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 7, 2015 21:08:58 GMT
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M TOO ANGRY TO JUMP OUT THE WINDOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"! |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 8, 2015 8:29:03 GMT
Sigh.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 1:29:38 GMT
Picture diagram of all CW repaints  13 dedicated combiners out of four torso molds (counting the unpictured tomy mystery decepticon combiner) Much as I enjoy Ultra Magnus, I really wish they'd hiatused the leader class and focused resources into more voyagers, and maybe even a few more limbs. |
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 3:27:06 GMT
All G1 vehicular torsos are accounted for, and hasbro flat out refused to do any of the beasts (ironically unveiling Skylynx in the same panel, damn them and their hypocrisy).
But there were still a ton on non-combiners they could do.
Megatron- Green tank to G2 robot. Torso mode based on G1 Megatron with shades of IDW. Remolds/repaints could be Warpath, Bludgeon, Impactor
Megatron would have no dedicated team.
Scattorshot- new mold. Specifically Retooled into Shockwave.
Double Dealer- G1 Missile Truck, G1 Autobot robot, combined mode: decepticon eagle, ala Skyreign's combined mode being the lynx. Repaint/Remold into Cybertron Red Alert
No dedicated team.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 5, 2015 7:46:20 GMT
More Autobot '84/'85ers, inc voyagers...
6 Decepticon jets...
MORE!!!!
MMMOOORRRREEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 5, 2015 8:20:25 GMT
The jets would be an odd figure to fit into this. As limbs they'd be too diminished; they have to be bigger than the cars. But torsos would make them too big. I would certainly buy repaints/remoulds of the rest of the Diaclone cars though. Give us the lot!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2015 9:07:44 GMT
The jets would be an odd figure to fit into this. As limbs they'd be too diminished; they have to be bigger than the cars. Why? The Aerialbots are the same size as the Stunticons and they work OK. Be interesting to see how well Starscream and Armada Thrust work in Unite Galvatronus. Of course once they've done Starscream people will want the rest! I wonder now if making an F-15 remould of the Aerialbots might not have had some use..... But torsos would make them too big. I would certainly buy repaints/remoulds of the rest of the Diaclone cars though. Give us the lot! They did them as Leaders this year! You know increasingly that Cyclonus Torso looks very odd as a choice.... But, as we've said repeatedly and Mr J reiterates above, a Tank torso is the missing piece in the jigsaw to give Megatron a combiner body. Now that with a Galvatron combined mode would make sense. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2015 9:23:42 GMT
But there were still a ton on non-combiners they could do. Megatron- Green tank to G2 robot. Torso mode based on G1 Megatron with shades of IDW. Remolds/repaints could be Warpath, Bludgeon, Impactor Green Megatron tanks have a purple Archforce repaint, silver and a grey TFGO EZ Collection repaint. I'm more likely to accept a darker green Megatron with an Armada head slapped on it in Voyager size than I was with a leader. Having the tank mould for Bludgeon would have improved the TFSS set no end. Megatron would have no dedicated team. Interestingly one of the things I think Hasbro's got wrong this year, not the biggest mind which is why the question is on the end of year list, is making more Torsos than Limbs. Extra Limbs encourages swapping. I'd love to have seen some Decepticon jet limbs which is why Unite Galvatronus pleases me so. Scattorshot- new mold. Specifically Retooled into Shockwave. I don't think we've seen the end game for Scattorshot yet and I think when a Technobot set does happen he'll look a little different to how he does now. Personally, even though it's maybe a bit small, I like the direction they've gone in with the Legends Shockwave. That's going to be a super popular toy. Double Dealer- G1 Missile Truck, G1 Autobot robot, combined mode: decepticon eagle, ala Skyreign's combined mode being the lynx. Repaint/Remold into Cybertron Red Alert No dedicated team. Of course when we UK fans see Missile Tanks we think Euro Stalker. That instantly leads us to Predator Jet repaints of the Aerialbots, which in turn makes us think Slingshot as Skyquake. And of course Stalker then led a second life as Machine Wars and Universe 1 Soundwave. Then you're into some really good gravy with a pair of jets as Laserbeak 7 Buzzsaw and a pair of Brawls as Rumble and Frenzy. Hmmmm, could you get Doubledealer and Megatron from the same base mould? Exchange the turret for the missile? If we have got to the end of new CW Moulds there's lots of 3P potential out there I could be tempted into in years to come. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2015 9:54:40 GMT
Much as I enjoy Ultra Magnus, I really wish they'd hiatused the leader class and focused resources into more voyagers, and maybe even a few more limbs. Having Decepticon Jets at both Leader and Legend size this year is almost certainly the reason for the lack of Decepticon jet Aerialbot repaints so Mr J's suggestion of suspending the Leader size full stop has some merit. But I think we all feel that Megatron and Ultra Magnus have had an effect on the CW range depriving us of a Megatron tank torso and the correct name, colours and combined mode head on Battle Core Optimus. So lets cut them, and that dreadful Armada repaint of Megatron, from the Leader line. What toys can you replace them with? Could you fill the slots occupied with the jet repaints too with something else? |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 5, 2015 10:01:35 GMT
Well to be fair, if there was no leader class it wouldn't mean suddenly we get more at other size classes; stores order stuff in fixed waves after all. I agree that the leader class could have tied into the theme more, maybe as a bigger bulkier torso or some sort of multipack? I dunno. They have to have SOMETHING at that size class.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2015 10:51:04 GMT
No but the choices at Leader class would seem to have had an influence this year on what's appeared in the other sizes.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 5, 2015 17:37:51 GMT
I would not sacrifice that lovely Leader Magnus mould just for another $\€\>\^]^{ white Prime.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 18:56:35 GMT
Given that Magnus was designed with TR Optimus in mind, and given the detailing pretty much IS a TR toy itself, a hiatus on the leader class wouldn't sacrifice Magnus. It would have postponed it to after CW, or moved it up to before CW.
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 19:00:59 GMT
Well to be fair, if there was no leader class it wouldn't mean suddenly we get more at other size classes; stores order stuff in fixed waves after all. I agree that the leader class could have tied into the theme more, maybe as a bigger bulkier torso or some sort of multipack? I dunno. They have to have SOMETHING at that size class. But they do allocate budgetary resources when they're planning a line. Leader class being suspended does mean more resources to spend elsewhere in the line. Maybe we'd have gotten a bump in a few more new deluxe molds, or some may have gotten proper retooling (such as Alpha Bravo) |
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 19:14:49 GMT
Megatron would have no dedicated team. Interestingly one of the things I think Hasbro's got wrong this year, not the biggest mind which is why the question is on the end of year list, is making more Torsos than Limbs. Extra Limbs encourages swapping. I'd love to have seen some Decepticon jet limbs which is why Unite Galvatronus pleases me so. My reasoning behind this is that Megatron is a bully, as well as the leader of everyone. He would just take the limbs he needs using whomever happens to be around. Likewise Optimus doesn't need a dedicated team, because who wouldn't want to combine with him? Other than that, I agree completely. Teamless limbs such as Starscream repainted from Airraid, Sideways repainted from Groove, or Barricade repainted from Prowl make significantly more sense than Cyclonus and Scattorshot out there by their lonesome. Or Skylynx being given a completely random team of autobots (who by themselves would go a long way fixing this issue) As for Scattorshot being a new mold, it's not disappointment in him being a silverbolt retool, it's that I think a cleverly designed mold could work for both Scattorshot and Shockwave. And be more appropriate than tinywave. |
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Post by Toph on Dec 5, 2015 19:26:46 GMT
I also think, once again, Hasbro is ignoring both the collector market, and online retailers.
CW does offer some unique opportunities if they sell directly to online retailers. Not making something exclusive to one or two stores, but just marketing directly to the adult market and bypass the brick and morter stores who demand specific pricepoints.
Limb multipacks. A three pack of Airraid, decoed as Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp.
Such a set would be limited to being a TRU or Target exclusive as it'd both have an odd price, and be such collector specific toy. Which would just piss everyone off because distribution.
Sold across the board online, Captured Prey, BBTS, Hasbro Toyshop, Kapow, and even the big retailers (which often do sell adult collector oriented toys online), you're hitting the specific market tge set speaks to. And they can also control it better, without having to overproduce it in the quantities they otherwise would.
I do think there are some unique collector appeal repaints viable here, that don't fit in the standard CW wave format.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 5, 2015 22:17:44 GMT
Can anyone think of any limb vehicles that Hasbro haven't done that would have any mileage in them?
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Post by blueshift on Dec 5, 2015 22:26:13 GMT
Can anyone think of any limb vehicles that Hasbro haven't done that would have any mileage in them? They should have made Scourge a limb. Then you could do a Sweep repaint and convince people to buy four Sweeps to form Galvatronus. Not even joking! Then you could repaint him as Alpha Trion, who I thought always looked Scourgey. The only drawback would be you'd have a Cyclonus towering over Scourge of course! |
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Post by Toph on Dec 6, 2015 3:06:33 GMT
My day long migraine has mostly ended, and I'm finding it easier to think.
I honestly think that as simple as CW deluxes are, they could have put a bit more effort into some kibble placement.
The biggest help to the line would be alternate front end placements to Dragstrip, Deadend, breakdown, and offroad. Allowing the hoods to form the front in various positions.
From that, we could get a better Prowl from Streetwise, and Jazz, Rapido, Bluestreak, and Smokescreen from Deadend. We could get Armada Red Alert from first Aid, and G2 Turbofire from Offroad.
Baring that, alternate cars that have those traditional Sideswipe and Prowl robot modes would be very welcome and not only add more variety in robot mode, but in vehicle mode as well. We have 14 different individual car toys out of 11 different characters, from basically two molds.
The jets really fair no better. As such, a couple more jets would help boost variety in both modes.
Like Prowl/Jazz, I would really love so see the classic Starscream transformation adapted into CW.
I think a simplified version of Classics transformation would work really well. Locate the connecter joint in the back of the jet instead of the underbelly, and Starscream "plugs in" backwards to the standard aerialbot.
With Starscream there are at least two built in simple remolds.
I don't mind a bit of ground retreading, as we've gotten that since 1984.
But to address the original question of different vehicles, there's plenty to choose.
Hovercraft- Primary Seaspray, secondary Shortround. Plus there are a fair few others to use.
Fire Truck- Primary Inferno, remold Grapple. Plus Hosehead, Roadblock (Hauler), Hook, RiD Hightower, Pyro, and many others.
Van- Primary Ironhide, Secondary Ratchet. Plus E Towline and others
Bulldozer- Primary RiD Wedge. Additionally Bonecrusher, Armada Scavenger, and any other bulldozer.
Dumptruck- Primary RiD Wideload. Additionally, Landfill, Longhaul and any other dumptruck
Excavator- Primary RiD Grimlock. Additional, a few others.
Apache style attack Chopper- Primary Spinister, additionally add variety and break up civilian styled AB being EVERYTHING.
Futuristic car- primary Hotrod, additionally anything.
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Post by Toph on Dec 6, 2015 6:58:00 GMT
All G1 vehicular torsos are accounted for, and hasbro flat out refused to do any of the beasts (ironically unveiling Skylynx in the same panel, damn them and their hypocrisy). But there were still a ton on non-combiners they could do. Megatron- Green tank to G2 robot. Torso mode based on G1 Megatron with shades of IDW. Remolds/repaints could be Warpath, Bludgeon, Impactor Megatron would have no dedicated team. Scattorshot- new mold. Specifically Retooled into Shockwave. Double Dealer- G1 Missile Truck, G1 Autobot robot, combined mode: decepticon eagle, ala Skyreign's combined mode being the lynx. Repaint/Remold into Cybertron Red Alert No dedicated team. Adding to this: Jhiaxus- G2 superseeker homage we deserve, in proper colors. Combined mode Liege Maximo. Possible repaints/retools into Dai Atlas, Skyquake, Star Saber. Blueshift's Scourge limb retools into G2 Cybertronian Soldiers. Jetfire- Armada Jetfire, space shuttle. Retools/repaints into Galaxy Shuttle, Astrotrain, Spay-C Blackout- movie blackout. Repaints into Grindor. Retools into Evac. Team can easily be repaints of existing limbs. Barricade (Streetwise), Wreckage (Rook), Dropkick (Offroad), Dreadwing (Airraid) Lugnut- Animated Lugnut. Combined mode Lugnut Supreme. Retools into Cyb Jetfire. Rodimus Prime- Space Winnebago. Does not need remolds to justify its existence. Bulkhead- Animated not Prime. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2015 10:58:07 GMT
But to address the original question of different vehicles, there's plenty to choose. Hovercraft- Primary Seaspray, secondary Shortround. Plus there are a fair few others to use. hovercraft was an obvious one that sprang to my mind, Fire Truck- Primary Inferno, remold Grapple. Plus Hosehead, Roadblock (Hauler), Hook, RiD Hightower, Pyro, and many others. Would you want a limb choice the same as an existing Torso? There again they did it for jets Van- Primary Ironhide, Secondary Ratchet. Plus E Towline and others they've effectively got this already with First Aid. But a reshell with a smoother lined vehicle body similar to the original First Aid or Ratchet/Ironhide would be nice. Bulldozer- Primary RiD Wedge. Additionally Bonecrusher, Armada Scavenger, and any other bulldozer. Dumptruck- Primary RiD Wideload. Additionally, Landfill, Longhaul and any other dumptruck Excavator- Primary RiD Grimlock. Additional, a few others. we talked about Devastator being done with CW style limb ports, maybe fixed to just one limb mode, when we were speculating about Devastator prior to it's reveal. It would have given them a few more options down the line! Apache style attack Chopper- Primary Spinister, additionally add variety and break up civilian styled AB being EVERYTHING. Alpha Bravo's overuse is one of the big problems this year. A more angular nosed chopper with different TF would have been welcome.... .... And new arms with landing skids for Blades! Futuristic car- primary Hotrod, additionally anything. I don't think Hot Rod is that far from a Breakdown retool who's car front folds over to become the chest. Another mistake made on the mould which would have given it extended appeal as a more accurate Sideswipe etc. And, as we've said beore, The same mod would benefit Prowl and the Datsun Bros. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2015 11:08:14 GMT
Jhiaxus - G2 superseeker homage we deserve, in proper colors. Combined mode Liege Maximo. Possible repaints/retools into Dai Atlas, Skyquake, Star Saber. Blueshift's Scourge limb retools into G2 Cybertronian Soldiers. link to the sort of thing you mean? I'm imagining euro Skyquake, reused as MW Starscream and Universe King Atlas Jetfire- Armada Jetfire, space shuttle. Retools/repaints into Galaxy Shuttle, Astrotrain, Spay-C A shuttle is possibly better suited size wise to a core than limb Blackout- movie blackout. Repaints into Grindor. Retools into Evac. Team can easily be repaints of existing limbs. Barricade (Streetwise), Wreckage (Rook), Dropkick (Offroad), Dreadwing (Airraid) possibly. Not sure I see it myself Lugnut - Animated Lugnut. Combined mode Lugnut Supreme. Retools into Cyb Jetfire. you remind me I need a RTS/United Lugnut! Rodimus Prime- Space Winnebago. Does not need remolds to justify its existence. it's got the touch, it's got the power. Possibly an oversized Hot Rod voyager that becomes Rodimus Prime in combined mode might work better? Bulkhead- Animated not Prime. Green Ironhide territory |
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Post by Toph on Dec 6, 2015 12:25:48 GMT
They *didn't* effectively do a van with First Aid. The FA retool is nothing van-like at all, unless you're *extremely* liberal with the term "van."
FA is an SUV. And isn't remotely similar at all in either vehicle or robot mode, to a proper Ironhide or Ratchet.
Yeah, they did an Ironhide in CW, but he has a completely wrong vehicle, and a robot that looks nothing at all like any existing ironhide save for color and head alone.
Also, there are more types of fire trucks than just one. Especially given that Hotspot is only vaguely fire truck-like.
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Post by Toph on Dec 6, 2015 12:29:47 GMT
Jhiaxus - G2 superseeker homage we deserve, in proper colors. Combined mode Liege Maximo. Possible repaints/retools into Dai Atlas, Skyquake, Star Saber. Blueshift's Scourge limb retools into G2 Cybertronian Soldiers. link to the sort of thing you mean? I'm imagining euro Skyquake, reused as MW Starscream and Universe King Atlas Jetfire- Armada Jetfire, space shuttle. Retools/repaints into Galaxy Shuttle, Astrotrain, Spay-C A shuttle is possibly better suited size wise to a core than limb Blackout- movie blackout. Repaints into Grindor. Retools into Evac. Team can easily be repaints of existing limbs. Barricade (Streetwise), Wreckage (Rook), Dropkick (Offroad), Dreadwing (Airraid) possibly. Not sure I see it myself Lugnut - Animated Lugnut. Combined mode Lugnut Supreme. Retools into Cyb Jetfire. you remind me I need a RTS/United Lugnut! Rodimus Prime- Space Winnebago. Does not need remolds to justify its existence. it's got the touch, it's got the power. Possibly an oversized Hot Rod voyager that becomes Rodimus Prime in combined mode might work better? Bulkhead- Animated not Prime. Green Ironhide territory How is a voyager Bulkhead torso too similar to Ironhide? and Rodimus is implied as a voyager. All these are. |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 6, 2015 12:31:25 GMT
Oh wow I love the Lugnut/Lugnut Supreme idea!!
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Post by legios on Dec 6, 2015 13:12:03 GMT
Alpha Bravo's overuse is one of the big problems this year. A more angular nosed chopper with different TF would have been welcome.... .... And new arms with landing skids for Blades! I'd go further. New mould for him, so you actually get a helicopter mode that looks like Landing Skids belong on it. Rather than them being kludged onto a much more modern copter mode. Something a bit more like the Bell Jet Ranger, so that you can then repaint that as Vortex (basically giving you a US Army helicopter rather than the original navy design, but that'd work. You could also do something similar with a "Little Bird" as Vortex with a police repaint as Blades) Then you do Alpha Bravo either in the orange colour scheme or the Coast Guard scheme as Evac and Live Convoy, in green giving you Blaze Mastwr For "non-assigned limbs" you can then play about with the Kiowa Warrior/Little Bird mould for Spinister, Powerdive, Rotorstorm, G2 Sandstorm and Whirl, the Brawl mould gets you Roadfire, Bombshock and Heavytread.... Legends class Skywarp in yellow as Fearswoop... Skydive as Windrazor, with Firefly as Afterburner and Eagle Eye and Slingshot as Terradive as a wave, with a black Cyclonus remould as MW Starscream as their Combiner Core. The Prime and Stunticon deluxes as Thunderclash, Scorch, Hurricane, Flash and Boss ("Combine to form Turbomaster) Stunticon Deluxes again for a wave with a Hotspot repaint as Pyro and the Aquaspeeders. Or with a Motormaster repaint as Clench and the Stormtroopers... I'm just free associating now.... Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2015 13:14:44 GMT
Please do, that's what this thread is for!
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Post by legios on Dec 6, 2015 13:22:41 GMT
Please do, that's what this thread is for! Indeed. But I shall have to come back to it at a later date. Need to get a Stir-Fry done for lunch and then donder out to see if the Boots optician is working so I can get some new V-Hud glasses ordered. My old pair don't appear to be compatible with anything built after 2045, which is a bit of a problem for interoperability... :-) Karl |
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