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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
10. Leader 9. General 8. Commander 7. Lieutenant 6. Specialist 5. Warrior Ah, but Optimus Prime's function is 'Commander' and he has rank 10. And Sky Lynx's function is 'Lieutenant Commander' and he has rank 9. Martin Yeah... I think Pretender Grimlock, or was it Actionmaster Grimlock, had the 'Lieutennant Commander' Function to. I dunno... again, it's about a 'best fit'. I do like what I said in the older thread (nice thread warping, Big Phil) where I said that maybe Decepticon Ranks should be more about physical power or position, not just ability and function. So dummies like Skywarp could have a higher Rank because they're powerful and loyal. |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 22, 2020 20:58:37 GMT
Huh. Errm, yeah, 7 fits in with my mind's eye of Ranks... I'd feel more comfortable with an 8, but I can live with a 7. Omega is the main man, but I think his intelligence limits how far up the ranks he would sit. He's got the raw power but doesn't have the brains behind it. He's 5, same intelligence as Rumble. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 22, 2020 21:01:20 GMT
Let's not have too much ranc-or about ranks.
Ba-boom...tisssssssssh.
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 21:04:41 GMT
Huh. Errm, yeah, 7 fits in with my mind's eye of Ranks... I'd feel more comfortable with an 8, but I can live with a 7. Omega is the main man, but I think his intelligence limits how far up the ranks he would sit. He's got the raw power but doesn't have the brains behind it. He's 5, same intelligence as Rumble. WHAAAATTTT?!?!?! HE'S ONLY INTELLIGENCE 5?!?!?! Right, hang on Shockprowl, do you actually have any knowledge of Omega's original Techspecs, or has your memory been polluted by what you think it should be?! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 21:05:12 GMT
Let's not have too much ranc-or about ranks. Ba-boom...tisssssssssh. -Ralph .......get your coat, and get out. |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 22, 2020 21:11:20 GMT
Ah, I see. Thread warp. No, I didn't. I'll put it back on the list. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 22, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 21:17:29 GMT
Ah, I see. Thread warp. No, I didn't. I'll put it back on the list. Excellent, sir. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 21:19:27 GMT
Gosh... Numbers? Where can I find numbers? Can't believe I've never looked at this... |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 22, 2020 21:19:53 GMT
It doesn't sit right with me either. He's slow, but it doesn't mean he has to be stupid. That's often the stereotype though. He's a bot with hidden depths.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 22, 2020 21:21:23 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 22, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 22, 2020 21:24:33 GMT
Cool sites! Numbers...
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Post by The Huff on Apr 23, 2020 8:03:09 GMT
Could rank also be measured by how many people under your command?
Perhaps Optimus Primes rank dropped in G2 because Jhiaxus's Cybertronian Empire made the Aurobots quite insignificant.
Also, re. Jetfire, he did quickly move up the ranks to take command during Target 2006, which I found suprising. Obviously Prime, Jazz and Prowl were away. I do wish there was a line with Ironhide or someone asking "Why are you taking charge? I'be been here longer!" And Jetfire explaining that is true, but he has a bigger and more expensive toy than everyone else.
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Post by The Huff on Apr 23, 2020 8:06:55 GMT
Ratbat is a 6!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 23, 2020 8:22:27 GMT
I do wish there was a line with Ironhide or someone asking "Why are you taking charge? I'be been here longer!" And Jetfire explaining that is true, but he has a bigger and more expensive toy than everyone else. I think I recall Jazz explaining that to Ironhide during 'Dinobot Hunt'. Martin |
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 23, 2020 9:26:26 GMT
I thought at the time that it was clever how they incapacitated the Autobot leaders in Target. I would like to have seen Jazz more in that role, giving orders etc, before being captured. I felt Jetfire staking his claim was logical at the time, having Intelligence 10, but then again he was, like, what, 2 years old by that point? Ironhide would have been good to see in a backs-against-the-wall leadership role.
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Post by Llama God on Apr 23, 2020 9:29:12 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 23, 2020 9:37:27 GMT
Yeah, I've thought since, that after the disappearances of Megatron and Shockwave, the remaining Decepticons stood around, and said "Well, Soundwave, you're not being put in charge again, you backstabbing swine, and there's no way we're allowing you to take over, Starscream! So... err... maybe we should do this differently this time... who's got the brains?" As no one Decepticon had the raw power to TAKE leadership. I do find it fascinating how Ratbat became leader. Good idea. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 23, 2020 9:56:41 GMT
Ratbat becoming leader strikes me as more clever creatively as an adult than it did to me as a child! Great bit of storytelling there. Shame he was bumped off with no real sense of conclusion to his story (in Marvel).
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 29, 2020 7:07:19 GMT
COURAGE See Also: Tech Specs tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/7971Online Tech Spec Chart tmukhub.proboards.com/post/418738/threadStrength tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10886Intelligence tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10888Speed tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10895Endurance tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10907Rank tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10927Courage tmukhub.proboards.com/post/409230/threadFirepower tmukhub.proboards.com/post/413708/threadSkill tmukhub.proboards.com/post/417214/thread
There is no greater window into a Transformer's soul... Coupled with Intelligence and the characters short bio, Courage to me told everything I needed to know about them in those early days. Real insight into Who They Are. I liked it how the Autobots had high Courages in abundance. One looses count of the number of 9s and 10s in the early years. I don't -think- that changed much over the course of G1? Which is appropriate, the non-warriors by choice, becoming freedom-fighters for the greater good. Whereas the Decepticons have a few lower Courages in there. Some Courages surprised me. My brother had Ravage early on, but bought him from a friend and we never had the Techspecs. I was surprised years later to discover Ravage only had a Courage of 5. Ravage always struck me as far braver than that in the comics and cartoon. Then there's Bluestreak. Only a 2. Laserbeak has 2, and he's described as a coward. Bluestreak doesn't strike me as a coward. He dislikes war, yet confronts his fears and becomes a gunner in the Autobot resistance. Surely that would take great courage? Then there are other interesting Courages. The vain yet fatalistic Dead End, for example. Reluctant to fight, sullen, likes to shine himself, yet has a Courage of 9, and seems, on paper at least, to be one of the more effective Stunticons. What does Courage actually mean to who the character is? Do you have the Courage to discuss these intricacies? |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 29, 2020 8:04:10 GMT
Chip Chase had courage.
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 29, 2020 8:17:00 GMT
He sure did.
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Post by The Huff on Apr 29, 2020 11:58:55 GMT
Dead End was actually quite brave as he just didn't think it would matter if he died or not. This is apparent in FFOD where he is the one who volunteers to go and speak with the Quintesson.
How is courage measured? To me, someone who is naturally afraid to fight (Mirage) but does, shows more courage than some one (like Dead End) who couldn't care less.
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 29, 2020 12:02:28 GMT
Good points, Hufferlover.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 29, 2020 12:08:18 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 29, 2020 12:34:44 GMT
Dutch courage?
(I wonder why it's called 'Dutch courage'? From the Glorious Revolution perhaps?)
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 29, 2020 12:46:22 GMT
The kind of courage I have a problem with is the kind that places no value on one's own life. If you're willing to throw your own life away ineffectually, what value do you place on other people's lives? So when I see grim-faced Autobots recklessly piling in on Galvatron, Unicron or Overlord and getting killed straight away without achieving anything except showing how brave they are, is that sort of courage really to be admired?
Isn't it best for courage to go with intelligence, so that if you risk your life it's with the maximum probability of getting a good outcome, for someone else / the greater good if not for yourself, rather than just going over the top and getting mown down?
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2020 12:47:25 GMT
Some Courages surprised me. My brother had Ravage early on, but bought him from a friend and we never had the Techspecs. I was surprised years later to discover Ravage only had a Courage of 5. Ravage always struck me as far braver than that in the comics and cartoon. I take this to reflect his cat-like qualities; cats are very cautious, quick to run away, and tend to attack only when confident. Yes he'll sneak into the heart of a heavily-armed enemy's base, but he isn't going to be taking any chances! |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 29, 2020 13:04:35 GMT
Dutch courage? (I wonder why it's called 'Dutch courage'? From the Glorious Revolution perhaps?) Various different explanations on Wikipedia but nothing conclusive. Either seems to be from soldiers drinking before battle against the Dutch in the 1600s, or that British soldiers thought Dutch soldiers were more aggressive in battle after they were tanked up on gin. |
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