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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 15, 2016 22:02:09 GMT
I'd rather have the standard CW HFG's for Victorion and Computron. The hands and feet with Victorion were rubbish.
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 15, 2016 22:11:59 GMT
With Menasor I was really struggling with the lack of ankle tilts until I put the Nonnef feet on. Huge difference. I haven't combined Victorion yet to comment on those.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 15, 2016 22:27:56 GMT
Was that because you had the original Motormaster with duff hip joints?
No point on them with Victorion. Transformation effectively takes hips out of the equation to correctly form the waist.
Computron.... Possibly useful.
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Post by Toph on Aug 15, 2016 22:50:27 GMT
I really don't get peoples fixation on ankle tilts.
So many people rate figures on if they have ankle tilts or not, and I can't think of a more frivolous joint, save for mid foot joints.
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Post by freeestyle on Aug 15, 2016 22:54:57 GMT
I don't care about ankle tilt. Just wanted hands/feet that were correctly sized. Rather than gorilla hands (that have guns in knuckles) and feet that are like a babys shoe with guns as toes.
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Post by Toph on Aug 15, 2016 23:23:29 GMT
I don't care about ankle tilt. Just wanted hands/feet that were correctly sized. Rather than gorilla hands (that have guns in knuckles) and feet that are like a babys shoe with guns as toes. You don't have Victorion, do you? Her hands and feet are not well proportioned at all. Hands are too small, and feet are way too big. The hands only work with the relatively slender helicoptor twins, but look ridiculously tiny when the cars are arms. They also don't really do anything. They're kibble in the original version of the term. I'm with phil. The HFG works pretty well. It's not perfect, but it's a great compromise for all three issues. They're a bit small in foot form, but not ridiculously so, that they look silly (victorion feet look almost silly they're so big). They're a bit large as hands, but larger hands look better on giant robots than tiny ones. Plus they work well with all molds as hands. |
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Post by freeestyle on Aug 15, 2016 23:51:34 GMT
I do have her, I do agree with the hands being small, but the pe size would be good to compare too. The new Computron ones look like a great size that matches up.
Don't get me wrong I haven't got any of the pe sets because I do like the original hfg. But would like Hasbro to make sets that actually are like computrons in all colours.
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Post by Toph on Aug 16, 2016 1:03:06 GMT
I thought Computron recycled the victorion hands. My bad there.
I do have one of the PE sets though, and terrible quality aside (they practically ruined my superion), i feel they're ridiculously disproportionately oversized. They photograph better than they look. (The feet are nearly as big as an aerialbot)
Been looking to sell it but I feel bad since it's bloody awful.
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 16, 2016 8:57:50 GMT
Was that because you had the original Motormaster with duff hip joints? No, mine's the new one. The problem is that without any kind of ankle pivot a figure can only stand bolt upright, otherwise their feet aren't flat on the floor. I find an ankle tilt is essential in making any kind of pose look natural. |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 16, 2016 9:00:45 GMT
I really don't get peoples fixation on ankle tilts. So many people rate figures on if they have ankle tilts or not, and I can't think of a more frivolous joint, save for mid foot joints. I disagree.  The ball joint in the Nonnef foot means Menasor can stand in a lot of poses but still keep his foot flat on the floor. The Hasbro HFG only has one position where it can stand flat. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 16, 2016 17:16:36 GMT
Does any child actually care if their robot toy has ankle tilts?
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Aug 16, 2016 17:21:12 GMT
In this case an ankle tilt means it is less likely to fall over, which is important for kids.
I know there's this attitude in a subset of fandom that kids dont' care about articulation, but as a kid I always judged my toys by their ability to sit down (this is why Visionaries were better than Supernaturals and MASK was better than Star Wars)
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 16, 2016 17:24:05 GMT
I can honestly say I never at any point as a child looked at a toy I had and wanted it to do other things.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 16, 2016 17:35:53 GMT
Articulation bothered me in some early Transformers, but it was mainly lack of arm articulation that really wound me up.
When I was a child, the inability to remove R2D2 from the X-Wing really annoyed me.
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 16, 2016 17:42:11 GMT
Does any child actually care if their robot toy has ankle tilts? Probably not, but I do, and I'm the one buying the things! Generations isn't just aimed at kids. It's a simple fact that a pivot at the ankle makes an action figure easier to stand, and therefore less frustrating for a kid to play with. Hasbro have acknowledged this in their recent toy lines like CW and RiD by moulding feet at an angle. They may not be able to afford to articulate the figures well enough in the cheaper lines to actually add ankles, but they've accepted it's part of trying to stand a figure up. |
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Post by Toph on Aug 16, 2016 18:32:13 GMT
For a standard human action figure, my most basic necessary articulation points are shoulders, hips, neck, knees, and elbows.
The larger and more expensive the figure, the more complex it should be. But something like a joe figure does not need 32 points of artic.
Ankle rockers are way more important than ankle tilts.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 16, 2016 19:02:22 GMT
Define the difference between the two please
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Post by Benn on Aug 16, 2016 19:03:23 GMT
I remember being annoyed by toys that came pre-posed, like the original TMHT toys, and how they looked utterly stupid doing anything other than standing there.
That still bothers me.
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Post by blueshift on Aug 16, 2016 19:52:58 GMT
It was vitally important to me that all toys be able to sit down around a table for a meeting or having some tea. Those that couldn't were second-class citizens
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Post by Toph on Aug 16, 2016 20:02:08 GMT
Define the difference between the two please Ankle rockers are feet that can bend forward and backward, similar to walking. Maaaany TFs have these by default and virtue of transformation schemes. They can rock back and forth. Ankle tilts are the side to side. They can do splits while keeping the soles of their feet on the ground. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 16, 2016 20:07:36 GMT
Does any child actually care if their robot toy has ankle tilts? -Ralph I know I do. Ankle articulation is very important for posing purposes. I injured my ankle once, and posing was very difficult, if not unhealthy. I demand the same posing freedom in my action figures, particularly the high-end ones. And that goes for other parts of a figure's anatomy. The higher-end the figure, the more articulation I expect. |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 16, 2016 20:21:08 GMT
Ankle rockers are feet that can bend forward and backward, similar to walking. Maaaany TFs have these by default and virtue of transformation schemes. They can rock back and forth. Ankle tilts are the side to side. They can do splits while keeping the soles of their feet on the ground. Aaah, I thought something like that was going on. Those are established terms are they? Odd really, because by definition tilting is the same motion as rocking - back and forth. I've heard both used interchangeably on podcasts before now, but I thought there was something that differentiated them. Good to know. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 16, 2016 20:39:38 GMT
It was vitally important to me that all toys be able to sit down around a table for a meeting or having some tea. Those that couldn't were second-class citizens Just tea? Or is any other beverage acceptable? What kinds of meetings? -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 16, 2016 20:54:46 GMT
STRATEGY MEETINGS WITH PROWL!
At which Prowl finds any hot beverage acceptable. Even cold drinks on a hot day. BUT NO ALCO-OIL, WHEELJACK! I'M WATCHING YOU!
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Post by Toph on Aug 16, 2016 21:02:43 GMT
Ankle rockers are feet that can bend forward and backward, similar to walking. Maaaany TFs have these by default and virtue of transformation schemes. They can rock back and forth. Ankle tilts are the side to side. They can do splits while keeping the soles of their feet on the ground. Aaah, I thought something like that was going on. Those are established terms are they? Odd really, because by definition tilting is the same motion as rocking - back and forth. I've heard both used interchangeably on podcasts before now, but I thought there was something that differentiated them. Good to know. I don't know about established, but that's what makes sense to me. |
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Post by legios on Aug 16, 2016 21:44:16 GMT
Does any child actually care if their robot toy has ankle tilts? I very much doubt it. Mostly I've seen TF toys in the hands of children being carried, or zoomed about in vehicle mode, it does not seem that they are often left to stand on their own unaided. That said, I've got a combiner wars Superion and the lack of ankle articulation hasn't prevented it from standing with the legs spread slightly - there is enough friction from the big feet that he stays very much where he is put. The same is true of "Ultima Iastus" with the Battle Core torso. MP Star Saber is in the same situation and his feet are firmly planted, despite the lack of ankle joints. To be honest the only thing I've ever had major problems with falling over wasn't due to the ankles in any event - it was the hip joints which made God Fire Convoy hurl itself from the old shelves. Karl |
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Post by Llama God on Aug 16, 2016 22:00:35 GMT
I remember being annoyed by toys that came pre-posed, like the original TMHT toys, and how they looked utterly stupid doing anything other than standing there. That still bothers me. YES. That annoyed me also. I didn't go for shelves full of action-posed characters at that age, but aye, the fact they looked rubbish doing anything other than being stood in one position was... limiting. Even to my limited mind. |
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Post by Llama God on Aug 16, 2016 22:02:00 GMT
Does any child actually care if their robot toy has ankle tilts? -Ralph I know I do. Ankle articulation is very important for posing purposes. I injured my ankle once, and posing was very difficult, if not unhealthy. And then there's also this. As someone who's suffered from arthritis in the legs, I feel a definite need for flexible legs in all my toys. Although hopefully this is something most children playing with the toys wouldn't ever think about. |
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Post by Toph on Aug 16, 2016 22:37:01 GMT
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Post by freeestyle on Aug 17, 2016 8:14:58 GMT
The only tf that annoyed me as a kid was my silverbolt. My dad got it for me and I loved it.... A Concorde.... I always wanted to fly in one.... Then I put him into his robot mode and his legs moved but his arms were stuck to his body. Me being a kid I tried to force them to move and broke him. Till this day I miss him. #sobs in corner#
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