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Post by blueshift on Dec 12, 2015 21:49:42 GMT
[yes, I know he was a last-minute replacement for an even dafter idea, but still I thought he worked out ok in that books context) He was? What was the dafter idea? |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 12, 2015 22:07:01 GMT
It was going to be revealed that the mastermind behind the bad guys in the early issues of X-Factor was...
THE OWL.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2015 22:10:35 GMT
Various writers have tried to the make The Owl a feared and dangerous character. Never works!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 12, 2015 22:16:29 GMT
I'm glad they have tried tie it all together, even if its more than a little messy in places. Im sure Jubilee cameod in one of the original trilogy, even if it was the third one which they have tried to write out, it would'nt explain her turning up a a teenager years before the X3 Jubilee would have been born. But I dont care its clear that much like the comics in a movie or two they will be in the present day were many of them should be of retirement age, but instead will still be in their twenties. Jubilee was cameoed in 1 and 2. Not sure about 3. And I disagree about them "tying it together," because they haven't. All they've done is make multiple incompatible continuities that seem to exist within one, because they are specifically trying to erase Last Stand and XMO Wolverine. Not even ignore it, but erase it. If they'd just ignored them and pretend they never happened, then I think the whole thing would be a lot less messy. And if they tried to acknowledge them, but do clean up, then I also think the whole thing would be both more professional, and less messy. I think if you feel your continuity got screwed up badly enough that you need to literally erase one of the movies, while at the same time creating a brand new starting place (First Class), then you may as well go on ahead and just start an entirely new continuity. It was going to be revealed that the mastermind behind the bad guys in the early issues of X-Factor was... THE OWL. Various writers have tried to the make The Owl a feared and dangerous character. Never works! -Ralph But it's always a hoot! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 13, 2015 19:56:28 GMT
It was going to be revealed that the mastermind behind the bad guys in the early issues of X-Factor was... THE OWL. I thought 'The Owl' was a Batman villain? |
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Post by Toph on Dec 13, 2015 20:42:37 GMT
That's Owlman, an alternate reality villain version of Batman.
Also not to be confused with The Court of Owls, a secret society of Gotham's elite who in some continuities are responcible for the murder of the Waynes.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 13, 2015 23:38:26 GMT
Ay, caramba.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 14, 2015 12:54:22 GMT
The Owl, or Leland Owlsley is predominantly a Daredevil villain.
What the fuck Bob Layton was thinking is beyond me.
Andy
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Post by Kingoji on Dec 14, 2015 13:33:02 GMT
I was always a fan of the big A and his Darwynistic perversions. A villain whose sole reason d'etre was "Try and kill everyone and if they survive fairly then they deserve to". Problem was in the execution (literally) as he never REALLY managed to kill *anyone* that I recall.
I've never fully read AoA, as my newsagent stopped getting Essential in for those months, and when they did the whole Apocalypse resurrects as Scott Summers thing and he was revealed to be a puny dude in big armour I was done with him. But cartoon 'Pokky and pre AoA 'Pokky are firm X-faves.
As for Jubilee; she cameoed in all three main X-Men films (in as much as teenage Asian-American who liked to wear yellow and hot pink was seen) and she even had dialogue in a cut scene from the first. And Psylocke was in Last Stand, and while that has canonically been rendered irrelevant, her age really should still sync up. Which here it just doesn't. Neither, it seems, does Nightcrawler's.
I'm largely ambivalent in re: this movie at the moment. If anything I'm a tad disappointed, as the inclusion of Jubes removes the possibility of her ever playing sidekick to Wolverine in his own films. Which, to be honest, was kinda all I really wanted to see in an X-film at this point.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 14, 2015 17:13:08 GMT
I think big A should have been left alone after X-Cutioner's Song.
Would have made more sense for one of his lieutenant's to take up the name and the mantle of Apocalypse such as Caliban, another character who was pretty much wasted.
Andy
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Post by Kingoji on Dec 14, 2015 17:42:19 GMT
Yes, X-Cutioner's Song was a fine (if terribly edited together in the reprints) story. I feel that it was more closure for Archangel than a definitive bow-out for 'Pokky, though.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 14, 2015 22:40:09 GMT
Oh yes, the reprints do mangle bits of it for some reason.
Oh I know it wasn't necessarily the best end for Apocalypse, but I haven't really been impressed by many of the post X-Cutioners song tales with him. Peter MIligan might have been able to do something else with him had he stayed longer on UXM.
Andy
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Post by browny87 on Dec 15, 2015 13:17:12 GMT
apocalypse is a fantastic character and AOA is a brilliant story arc, my only fear is they'll try to cram too much of it in and end up not really telling much of a story, or telling a really confusing jumbled one.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 17, 2016 17:06:52 GMT
New trailer online
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Post by primenova on Mar 17, 2016 18:04:08 GMT
Size shifting - that looks good
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Post by Jaymz on May 16, 2016 22:04:33 GMT
Just back from a press screening, really good, silly, over-the-top X-Men fun.
Has plenty of flaws, but is entertaining. I think knowing your X-Men helps to get more enjoyment from it, but if you liked any of the previous X-Men movies, you'll get a kick out of this.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 17, 2016 6:39:30 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on May 18, 2016 20:19:22 GMT
I have seen it. I cannot wait to see Martin's thoughts.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 19, 2016 6:23:21 GMT
Well, we knew it was an end-of-the-world spectacle-heavy film from the trailer so it could have been no better than the finale of the original X-Men movie trilogy. But I found it more entertaining. The early Magneto scenes were of First Class standard and it's a shame the rest of the story wasn't as powerful. The two Quicksilver set pieces both caught me off-guard and were a joy to watch. The rest... forgettable. Perplexed that they seem to have ignored the way they ended 'Days of Future Past' with Wolverine in the hands of Mystique rather than the real Stryker. Then again, this entire series is spoiled by poor continuity. In the altered timeline, it seems Warren and Jubilee are somehow born twenty years earlier than in the original timeline. Shame they couldn't find any great actors to play the newly introduced characters. They are clearly not up to the casting standards of earlier films in the series, and it relies entirely on the established cast of characters to carry it whenever there's speaking to be done. Doesn't matter for the action sequences, mind. Martin PS Psylocke, yay! |
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Post by The Doctor on May 19, 2016 7:09:31 GMT
We...agree!
-Ralph
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Post by jameso on May 19, 2016 10:14:02 GMT
{Spoiler}Nice to see even four professional movie storytellers can't come up with an idea to defeat Apocalypse beyond teenage girl who hasn't been in the story before unleashes her untrained and un-established magic powers. It all makes sense if you've read the comics! |
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Post by legios on May 19, 2016 14:23:38 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear. That was...rather average... The Weapon X program thing isn't just perplexing in that it forgets what they had established in the last film, it is perplexing in that it doesn't "do" anything for this film. It is literally a "getting captured and escaping again" sequence that doesn't actually advance the plot of the film materially. All it actually does is make a film that is already longer than it warrants a bit longer.
It does start out quite well in places - a pre-credits which sees ancient humanity realise that it's god and his demigod servants are a bunch of raging headcases, and drop a pyramid full of ancient egyptian magi-tech on top of them was rather promising. If only Apocalypse could have lived up to that kind of grandeur, maybe showing some signs of charisma and leadership ability as he sets himself on the path to regaining god-kinghood. Instead we get an angry blueish bloke recruits a few disaffected people to blow everything up... Um, yes. Rather lacking in ambition really. Also "I am angry that the weak have made machines that give them destructive power. I shall destroy their civilisation for this corruption. But first I must harmlessly get rid of the world-destroying atom bombs they have made." Um..?
Magneto's "I just want to live in peace" arc started out quite well - some genuinely emotive material there. And then Apocalypse just turns that part of the movie off, along with Fassbender's performance in general for much of the film.
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Post by The Huff on May 19, 2016 15:43:02 GMT
Not quite as highbrow or thought provoking as the other films but I did enjoy it - it reminded me of the old '90s cartoon series. I was hoping that they would have come up with a cleverer way to defeat Mr Freeze though.
Of course I found myself watching Psylocke when I should have been paying attention to whoever was in the forefront saying important stuff, but I couldn't help that.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 20, 2016 5:37:44 GMT
Post-end credit scene apparently refers to Mr Sinister, yes? Martin |
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Post by legios on May 20, 2016 6:52:26 GMT
yep, it would seem so. It may also be setting up X-23, but the briefcase definitely is alluding to Sinister Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 20, 2016 17:51:19 GMT
{Spoiler}Well it was watchable, but surprisingly lacking. Apocalypse needed to chew scenery and be bombastic at times and we had none of that. Nightcrawler was far less awful than he was in X2.
Pyslocke was lovely, as we all seem to be in agreement.
I think it's time for Singer to step back from the X-films, as nothing he's done since he came back holds a candle to either X-Men: First Class (the best of the films) or X-Men 1 and 2 which were much better films as well.
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Post by Jaymz on May 22, 2016 9:20:41 GMT
One more film and I think they'll be able to roll into the 2000 X-Men film. A few bits won't fit perfectly, but blame DoFP Wolverine for changing things.
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Post by primenova on May 27, 2016 11:52:25 GMT
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