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Post by blueshift on Apr 17, 2016 20:05:04 GMT
I love that he is still using the jam rating system
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 17, 2016 20:36:32 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 20, 2016 17:09:28 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 20, 2016 17:42:46 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 20, 2016 17:44:36 GMT
(can someone get me a set? I imagine Andu wants some too)
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 20, 2016 17:49:36 GMT
Yeah the factories for some reason decided Terrosaur didnt need a footgun. |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 20, 2016 17:51:12 GMT
(can someone get me a set? I imagine Andu wants some too) Yeah no problem. I need to order some bits I forgot about. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 21, 2016 20:27:04 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 22, 2016 18:30:01 GMT
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Post by Stomski on Apr 24, 2016 18:01:48 GMT
So what was the story behind TM3 Megatron again? He was an unused concept from a previous Botcon or something, but how does it fit in with the BW/BM canon?
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Post by blueshift on Apr 24, 2016 18:05:54 GMT
The original idea is that he is the post Beast Wars Transmetal 3 Megatron.
In this years Botcon though, it is set pre-Beast Wars so he is pre-Beast Wars Megatron and TM doesn't stand for transmetal but something else.
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Post by Jaymz on Apr 24, 2016 19:12:40 GMT
In this years Botcon though, it is set pre-Beast Wars so he is pre-Beast Wars Megatron and TM doesn't stand for transmetal but something else. ransformers Megatron 3 Megatron |
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Post by freeestyle on Apr 24, 2016 21:05:08 GMT
(can someone get me a set? I imagine Andu wants some too) Yeah no problem. I need to order some bits I forgot about. Can I have a set too please |
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Post by Stomski on Apr 24, 2016 21:33:48 GMT
The original idea is that he is the post Beast Wars Transmetal 3 Megatron. Uh, but in BM he had his TM2 body. I AM CONFUSED. |
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Post by Toph on Apr 24, 2016 21:50:07 GMT
We never got any kind of story or explanation of what their intent was.
All we got was a model sheet calling him Transmetal 3 Megatron, and glenn saying "This is one thing we were working on, that you're not gonna see due to 3H going bankrupt"
One can presume since they were getting into Universe's story by this point, he would have been Megatron resurrected by Unicron, or an alternate universe Megatron who became a TMIII, pulled into the Universe war.
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 25, 2016 17:58:12 GMT
AS far as the fiction for this particular Megatron goes, the dragon is simply a body he had in his past. By the end of the botcon comic, he has been forcably downgraded for imprisonment. By the time of Dawn Of Future's Past he is augmenting himself with armour.
You could view the connection to BW this way: That when he merged his spark with that of the OG Megatron the surge in power returned him to an approximation of his most powerful form. He does in those last few episodes seem to take great pleasure that he had become a dragon; maybe he's so pleased because to him it's a return to his prime, long since lost.
Of course, the real world reason is simply that Funpub wanted to bow out with a centerpiece that would blow people away, and resurrecting an idea that never happened and that fans adored seemed like a good way to do it.
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Post by blueshift on Apr 25, 2016 18:08:57 GMT
Out of interest, do you know if there was ever any thought to set it post-Beast Wars/Machines or was the 'end of the Great War' setting something that was imposed by Fun Pub, as it feels like there were a ton of hoops it needed to jump through for characters (the TM3 Megatron, 3H wreckers Tigatron, another Airrazor Botcon origin)
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 25, 2016 18:44:45 GMT
Not that I'm aware of. I'm pretty sure that 'Dawn of Predacus' was locked in before people were invited to pitch, so it was always going to be set earlier than any other BW material. Plus setting it after would have raised far more continuity problems, since so many of the exclusives were long since dead by then.
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Post by Toph on Apr 25, 2016 18:46:56 GMT
It wasn't up to Funpub. Hasbro had IDW drum up the continuity clusterfuck that is this year's comic.
FP would have likely set it in BW Uprising, which makes a ton more sense given the character selection.
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 25, 2016 21:53:49 GMT
I have noticed a tendency amongst fans to be determined to hate all BW fiction outside of the show; regardless of each piece's individual qualities folks regard it all as terrible as though 'the only good BW fiction is the show' is some kind of noble tradition that absolutely must be upheld.
The comic isn't a continuity clusterfuck. It has its issues, naturally, but aside from points it deliberately leaves open (there is a three hundred year gap between this and the next installment after all, so it wouldn't make sense to have every answer here and now), or trusting the reader to make a logical stretch on their own (protoforming introduced here is the begining of the technology, not the commonly-practiced science of the show for example), there's probably only one or two genuine mis-steps of continuity.
The biggest issues stem from the mandated characters to be used. The Predacus Council arose from the ashes of the war, this has always been true. So the mandate of giving us an approximate origin for their rise to power would naturally be set at that point. The problem then comes from being told that they had to use characters from the show that had only ever indicated a lineage between the two eras, not direct participation. I think that considering the work that would have to go in to figuring out how to place these characters in these situations without actively contradicting anything, this comic has done a pretty admirable job.
But once again, I'm biased because I worked on it and it was written by a dear friend that I know full well has been trying to get a writing gig on the franchise for a long while, and thus how much this chance meant to him. Given the limiting premise, already never-going-to-fit-perfectly continuity of the source material, and the above mentioned bias against it for simply being the format it is, I guess this book was always going to be in a kind of no-win situation.
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Post by Toph on Apr 25, 2016 22:35:51 GMT
I have noticed a tendency amongst fans to be determined to hate all BW fiction outside of the show; regardless of each piece's individual qualities folks regard it all as terrible as though 'the only good BW fiction is the show' is some kind of noble tradition that absolutely must be upheld. The comic isn't a continuity clusterfuck. It has its issues, naturally, but aside from points it deliberately leaves open (there is a three hundred year gap between this and the next installment after all, so it wouldn't make sense to have every answer here and now), or trusting the reader to make a logical stretch on their own (protoforming introduced here is the begining of the technology, not the commonly-practiced science of the show for example), there's probably only one or two genuine mis-steps of continuity. The biggest issues stem from the mandated characters to be used. The Predacus Council arose from the ashes of the war, this has always been true. So the mandate of giving us an approximate origin for their rise to power would naturally be set at that point. The problem then comes from being told that they had to use characters from the show that had only ever indicated a lineage between the two eras, not direct participation. I think that considering the work that would have to go in to figuring out how to place these characters in these situations without actively contradicting anything, this comic has done a pretty admirable job. But once again, I'm biased because I worked on it and it was written by a dear friend that I know full well has been trying to get a writing gig on the franchise for a long while, and thus how much this chance meant to him. Given the limiting premise, already never-going-to-fit-perfectly continuity of the source material, and the above mentioned bias against it for simply being the format it is, I guess this book was always going to be in a kind of no-win situation. I don't hate all BW fiction outside the show. I hate all BW fiction that tries to ramrod itself into the show's continuity. And bad fiction in general. Beast Wars is the only era that has this problem. Every other era, people will just start a new continuity for in order to tell their version of events. IDW and their writers are particularly bad with Beast Era and it's characters. I do *not* hate BW Uprising, as it's exactly what I wanted someone to do for ages, work an original Beast Era continuity, with original takes on the events. It creates no continuity issues, as it's not mucking with things that came before in nonsense ways, IE The Gathering. While I have very little faith in the club writers, they've actually been pretty good with handling the Beast Era, fictionally. DofP, aside from Tigatron and Airazor, does not really muck about with what's established. And aside from those two, it sticks squarely to common sense points. When Prebeasts proved a successful concept, instead of continuing to do this though and create more weak plotpoints to explain protoform characters existing before, they wisely created Beast Wars Uprising, and chose to do them there instead. This set was obviously even designed to be in that setting given it's mix of G1, FP, and 3H characters and concepts, and retreads like Tigatron and Airazor that make no canon sense as a prequel in the established Cartoon/DofP setting, no matter how fancy a word a writer can smith. Much as I bitch about the club and their writers, I've never had a bad thing to say about how they've personally handled BW, aside from disagreement on mold choices. I'm sure the comic in question is decent enough as a stand-alone piece, or the start of it's own continuity. but it should never have been forced into the show's continuity. Hell, All Hail Megatron isn't a terrible comic as a stand-alone. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 29, 2016 14:25:33 GMT
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Apr 29, 2016 15:31:01 GMT
Christ on a crutch! Is that a normal price for something like this? |
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Post by Toph on Apr 29, 2016 15:45:00 GMT
Nope. Only because everyone is so freaked about the sell out.
Both those (last I looked) average $125/£85 or so on ebay.
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Post by Benn on Apr 29, 2016 16:43:10 GMT
Wow, have BBTS ever gone down in my estimation.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 29, 2016 22:05:25 GMT
Price gouging nonsense.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 30, 2016 8:56:25 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 9, 2016 8:16:33 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 9, 2016 14:03:38 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 21, 2016 11:22:49 GMT
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