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Post by Toph on Jan 27, 2016 20:16:50 GMT
I'm thinking june for TR. with another unknown CW wave sometime around march.
It *seems* that when hasbro talks about "fall assortment" "christmas assortment" and such, that they're talking about when the toys should be widely available, aka at saturation, as opposed to when the toys are actually released.
The combaticons are the "winter assortment," and they were released juuuust before christmas. Too late to really make a difference for christmas lists, but with the way stores are slow to roll stuff out, it'll be february before they're relatively easy to come by.
Same goes for the skyreign "spring assortment" which should drop any day now. It'll be mid spring before those guys start really showing up.
Following this logic, Titans Return indeed are the fall assortment as Hasbro says, but will actually drop around june/july.
Which still leaves a "summer assortment" gap, which should drop around march or april.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 27, 2016 20:47:45 GMT
Agreed. This is exactly my thinking, although that autumn wave tends to appear in August rather than July.
Given we've seen TR reveals now to at least the end of the year though, I can't see a seventh CW wave coming. It would be in inventory listings by now and the toys would have leaked, surely?
It would be Computron, but they've turned it into a set.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 27, 2016 22:05:39 GMT
No we can put any theorising about a seventh CW wave to bed easily: www.robotkingdom.com/gen16trvoyw1.htmlDue 2nd quarter 2016: so April/May/June, right about the time Defensor came out last year. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 27, 2016 22:13:44 GMT
Aha! the answer. Well there we go. So flippin' heck, with all the CW box sets if the first wave of TR is hitting around May there is going to be one heck of a lot toys in the offing.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 27, 2016 22:38:40 GMT
G2 Superion is out, and was found at US retail today.
G2 Menasor Feb/March
Victorion April/May.
Reasonable assumption Bruticus is next as it was shown first.
I've heard September associated with Computron which would place Lio Kaiser towards the end of the year.
In there there's the Sky Reign Wave, 2/3 Titans Return Waves and Fort Max!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 27, 2016 22:40:00 GMT
Thinking about it an early reveal of Soundwave has implications: If Hasbro stick to the same pattern as previous years we'll probably get new toys in Feb(The final CW wave), May (First Titans Wave), August and December. I can't see Soundwave being the December toy revealed this early. So he must be the August toy, which in turn makes it more likely that both Blaster and Optimus are in Wave 1. Of course having Blaster and Optimus in the same wave has one advantage: The line has two connecting toys from the word go! |
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Post by Toph on Jan 27, 2016 23:27:33 GMT
So little has made sense to established information given by hasbro. They'd said that TR was the autumn line, borderline christmas. Then everything seemed like it was being pushed reeeeaally early.
But there was STILL a huge gap, which seemed like there should be a wave there.
However, we have no info on what that wave is. None.
Technobots seemed natural, but they're a giftset in a year already loaded with giftsets.
Now it seems TR is pushed even earlier than any early anticipations, to fill this void.
Meanwhile, there still seems no logical reason the technobots should be a giftset (unlike the g2 sets and victorion).
So I wonder if the technos WERE planned as the final wave, but got bumped to gift set specifically so they can launch TR early?
I mean, people really are getting a bit weary of the dozen molds CW has given us. And the reaction to TR has been exceptionally strong (i think in part to the weariness of the cw molds)
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Post by Llama God on Jan 27, 2016 23:48:48 GMT
Whatever the case, why does this have to be happening in the year that I need to buy a house? Godsdammit.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 28, 2016 14:16:13 GMT
Why are people getting their knickers in a twist over how many waves there are and when exactly they drop? There's a metric ton of toys on the way in waves or boxes. Surely that's enough to keep folk happy.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 28, 2016 21:08:23 GMT
For me personally it's because I find it interesting. I'd love the know the true ins sand outs of Hasbro's business decisions, but we never will so the best we've got is to theorise among ourselves, which is what we're doing.
It's true that we've got loads of toys coming and that in practise it doesn't matter which month that happens, but I want to know why CW being a more successful line than T30 is one wave shorter, or if CJ is right that the technobots originally were a wave but something changed. Or that the business model has been altered to use boxsets at the line end because by that point only the die hards are still buying so they're trying to maximize profits, or how sure they were they could build a whole line on so few moulds. I find that that fascinating and have spent hours looking for patterns in the CW moulds use just to see if I can guess what Hasbro's thinking is.
As said, we'll never know, but it's fun to talk about.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 28, 2016 21:13:20 GMT
It is different this time because the CW brand will overlap TR with the ongoing box set releases. I'm starting to think that Phil is right and that Lio Kaiser is actually a Hasbro rather than Takara set, which means six potentially bi-monthly box sets starting from now. I would love to be able to talk to someone at Hasbro just to ask what the thinking behind that is. Apart from just making money.
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Post by Toph on Jan 29, 2016 0:17:59 GMT
I agree with Pinwig. It's all about curiosity at the thought process in the decisions, because all we have is speculation.
When Hasbro does something that directly contradicts things they've told us (in this case they stated CW would last until this christmas, with the then unrevealed follow-up line launching for christmas, which ment TR sounds like it was originally planned to launch late autumn), I get genuinely curious as to why.
And when there's an obvious gap in a release schedule, that leaves everyone scratching their heads as to what goes there, curiosity and speculation is natural.
It's fine if all you care about is getting toys, but don't fault us for being genuinely curious regarding decisions on release schedules and having some fun with speculating and hypothesizing. It's not like anyone is acting irrational, or being angry or unappreciative.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 13, 2016 19:09:17 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 13, 2016 20:36:18 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 14, 2016 9:31:15 GMT
Being a pretty hard-core Soundwave fan, I'm going to maybe almost certainly get this. It looks like a really decent and fun figure. But it's just going to be way too big next to the other Generations figures in my collection such as the delux Strike Planes, Classics Optimus, Leader Ultra Magnus, or the 3P figures that fit into Generations, like Hegemon. I suppose he's designed to fit in with Leader Megatron and the Leader sized Strike Planes, isn't he? Funny how over recent years Masterpiece have shrunk in overall size (which was a good thing), but Generations seem to have grown in overall size!
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 14, 2016 11:40:11 GMT
I was thinking that last night again looking at those ensemble pictures. Look at the Generations releases for the last five years - the line is exploding. CW was bonkers enough, but now the Legends and Leaders (and even Titans) are fully integrated into the line the overall impression I got of looking at the Toy Fair display was - oh my god, it looks like my bedroom used to in the mid 80s. A huge array of different sizes, colours, alt modes and gimmicks. You can even see more money going into the design and variety of these deluxes compared to the CW ones.
It's BRILLIANT!
It prompted me into a spontaneous dust and rearrange of my toy shelves this morning. Space is being made for 2016 to arrive! (Toyworld's Headmasters are not happy about the situation. They're feeling the pinch a bit, being an abandoned line about to be superseded)
Me: Gosh, where can I put all these?
Mrs P: You could sell some.
Me: Don't listen my darlings! She knows not what she says!
Mrs P: <sigh>
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2016 19:21:33 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 14, 2016 20:25:57 GMT
Ahhhh, mix tapes....
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 14, 2016 20:27:59 GMT
For the modern generation something invented by Guardians of the Galaxy. For the rest of us, an essential 80s past time.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Feb 14, 2016 22:32:21 GMT
Trying to record from the radio without missing any of the song and cutting out the presenter was an art form.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2016 22:36:16 GMT
This practice has made Phil much in demand as a projectionist for open worship session as I can ID a song from just a few chords!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 2, 2016 22:00:42 GMT
Boxed Blaster:  |
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Post by Llama God on Apr 2, 2016 22:17:48 GMT
Given the comments I've just made about Prime in his thread, and the fact that Blaster seems to be taking up more space in a box that's sure to be the same size as Prime's... is Blaster going to be the bigger of the two?
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Post by blueshift on Apr 2, 2016 22:29:34 GMT
Can't wait for a cheap Blaster when he inevitably shelfwarms hard.
I mean it's nice for fans that they made him a giant boombox but...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 2, 2016 22:46:58 GMT
Given the comments I've just made about Prime in his thread, and the fact that Blaster seems to be taking up more space in a box that's sure to be the same size as Prime's... is Blaster going to be the bigger of the two? Looks like it....just like the original Blaster & Powermaster Prime. |
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Post by Llama God on Apr 2, 2016 22:48:22 GMT
You make a valid point. This is *so* G1.
Okay Takara - your move.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 3, 2016 12:24:30 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 8, 2016 18:34:33 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 8, 2016 18:35:29 GMT
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