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Post by Toph on Jan 8, 2016 22:16:59 GMT
I don't know who Deathsaurus is. He's a pretty obscure japanese guy. More obscure than a lot of long time fans will admit. Honestly, his shining moment is being the first FP Botcon figure, a repaint of RiD Megatron. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 8, 2016 22:25:00 GMT
I don't know who Deathsaurus is. this is what happens when you don't watch Japanese cartoons you naughty boy. It's a Victory thing. Very tempted. The art makes it look like the combiner head had been slightly remoulded to make it look more like Lio Kaiser, but that's clearly sky lynx. Is this the Japanese release of that mould then do you reckon? No actual sky lynx? The drill looks much chunkier in that picture than the Ramhorn prototype. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 8, 2016 22:31:07 GMT
The heads too small. It looks daft. it's just the Perfect Effect hands and feet in that picture throwing out the proportions I think. They're very big compared to the combiners. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 9, 2016 9:43:54 GMT
tfwiki.net/wiki/DeathsaurusHe's a pretty obscure japanese guy. More obscure than a lot of long time fans will admit. Honestly, his shining moment is being the first FP Botcon figure, a repaint of RiD Megatron. I would say being the main villain character and nemesis of the hero all the way through a Transformers cartoon show means he can't be obscure, especially in Japan where the show aired. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 9:51:56 GMT
Yes, but to be fair in the West, and especially the land of Shockprowl, he is extremely obscure.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 9, 2016 10:21:33 GMT
tfwiki.net/wiki/DeathsaurusHe's a pretty obscure japanese guy. More obscure than a lot of long time fans will admit. Honestly, his shining moment is being the first FP Botcon figure, a repaint of RiD Megatron. No, he was the lead villain in a TF cartoon well known to the fans and also a lead character in a recent MTMTE issue. He is not that obscure. |
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Post by Toph on Jan 9, 2016 11:03:21 GMT
And my point about him being more obscure than some fans are willing to admit to, is proven.
Dude's more obscure than Bantor, who got a call out in TFP. And Bantor's pretty damned obscure.
Just because he's well known to you, and moderately known to others as "oh yeah, that's a thing that existed," doesn't make him not obscure.
Given that the japanese fiction has had no real outlet in the west, there are generations of TF fans who've never heard of him.
He's not Guiltar level obscure. I'm not claiming no one's heard of him. And I never said anything about him being obscure in his own market.
But basically expecting western fans to be immidiately aware of him and to have watched a foreign language cartoon that never aired in the west is a bit much.
He's obscure to is like Jhiaxus is obscure to them. We couldn't even agree on what his name was until two or three years ago.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 11:08:23 GMT
I remember Guiltar! He used to be BIG in fandom in the early 00s.
Along with Devcon.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 9, 2016 11:20:10 GMT
Never heard of Bantor or Guiltor. Were they significant in some way? You point is very far from proven Jetty.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 9, 2016 11:28:53 GMT
And my point about him being more obscure than some fans are willing to admit to, is proven. Dude's more obscure than Bantor, who got a call out in TFP. And Bantor's pretty damned obscure. Just because he's well known to you, and moderately known to others as "oh yeah, that's a thing that existed," doesn't make him not obscure. Given that the japanese fiction has had no real outlet in the west, there are generations of TF fans who've never heard of him. He's not Guiltar level obscure. I'm not claiming no one's heard of him. And I never said anything about him being obscure in his own market.But basically expecting western fans to be immidiately aware of him and to have watched a foreign language cartoon that never aired in the west is a bit much. He's obscure to is like Jhiaxus is obscure to them. We couldn't even agree on what his name was until two or three years ago. I don't recall being unable to spell Jhiaxus' name. Re: Deathsaurus. Victory has been available to fans in the West through dvd's and online streaming in various formats for over a decade. There's an English dub, an official English sub and various fan dubs/subs in English. Plenty of western fans have no problem watching easily accessible foreign language material, especially when multiple ways of watching it are available. Of course I can only speak of English language viewers. I'm not sure how the German, Italian and Spanish fanbases watch these shows. Back in newsgroup days the Japanese shows were talked up a lot. They were a big thing in online fan chats. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Jan 9, 2016 12:01:46 GMT
Never heard of Bantor or Guiltor. Were they significant in some way? You point is very far from proven Jetty. My proven point is how some long time fans will refuse to admit obscure characters are obscure. And you and Doc are doing exactly that. Bantor was a toy-only BW, who got a surge of popularity because Ratchet in TFP drunkenly said he put a tiger in Bantor's tank (bantor is a mandril/tiger fuzor) Guiltaur is some manga only megatron/optimus zombie hybrid. Ultra obscure. And my point about him being more obscure than some fans are willing to admit to, is proven. Dude's more obscure than Bantor, who got a call out in TFP. And Bantor's pretty damned obscure. Just because he's well known to you, and moderately known to others as "oh yeah, that's a thing that existed," doesn't make him not obscure. Given that the japanese fiction has had no real outlet in the west, there are generations of TF fans who've never heard of him. He's not Guiltar level obscure. I'm not claiming no one's heard of him. And I never said anything about him being obscure in his own market.But basically expecting western fans to be immidiately aware of him and to have watched a foreign language cartoon that never aired in the west is a bit much. He's obscure to is like Jhiaxus is obscure to them. We couldn't even agree on what his name was until two or three years ago. I don't recall being unable to spell Jhiaxus' name. Re: Deathsaurus. Victory has been available to fans in the West through dvd's and online streaming in various formats for over a decade. There's an English dub, an official English sub and various fan dubs/subs in English. Plenty of western fans have no problem watching easily accessible foreign language material, especially when multiple ways of watching it are available. Of course I can only speak of English language viewers. I'm not sure how the German, Italian and Spanish fanbases watch these shows. Back in newsgroup days the Japanese shows were talked up a lot. They were a big thing in online fan chats. -Ralph My mistake, I misplaced that name comment. No westerner could agree on Deathsaurus's proper name until the toy's designer outright couldn't believe that "Dezarus" was a thing when he came to Botcon. Also, the newsgroups themselves are an obscure bit of TF history. There are very few people now who were actually in those, compaired to now. Half the fandom was barely even alive, then. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 9, 2016 12:22:50 GMT
Neither of us are doing that. You're being a dick.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 12:25:49 GMT
Mummy daddy please stop fighting  Can we all agree Guiltar is the best?  ? |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 12:33:54 GMT
Though to be fair, I think most of us here are long-term TF fans, so what's well known to us is less so to everyone else. early 00s fandom was much smaller and the Japanese stuff was a much bigger deal as it was MYSTERIOUS and MORE G1 and... well... there was just far less Transformers stuff in total. And early 00s was 15 years ago!
Honestly, the vast majority of TF fans I know who aren't people here are STUNNED to learn there were Japanese G1 shows. But don't worry, I show them all Stardub as soon as possible!
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 9, 2016 12:53:02 GMT
He's rapidly becoming less obscure, that's for sure. What with the new toy coming and his appearing in MTMTE.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 13:00:21 GMT
...Wait, so he's NOT called Deszaras???
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 9, 2016 13:04:07 GMT
I think you will find he is called Deathsanrus.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 13:07:54 GMT
Aaaaa my head everything I knew is a lie
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 9, 2016 13:09:34 GMT
Never heard of Bantor or Guiltor. Were they significant in some way? You point is very far from proven Jetty. My proven point is how some long time fans will refuse to admit obscure characters are obscure. And you and Doc are doing exactly that. No we're not. Don't put words into my mouth. There is no 'proven' point here. We're discussing the children's toy character Deathsaurus. It is your *opinion* that he is an obscure character. It is my *opinion* that he is not. Neither are facts. It's a discussion: points of view. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 9, 2016 13:38:53 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 13:47:30 GMT
To be fair, Deathsaurus is a REALLY stupid name!!! I prefer Deszaras |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 9, 2016 13:56:09 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 9, 2016 13:56:26 GMT
He'll always be Deathsanrus to me as I encountered the amazing dub first even though I know that is not entirely correct!
-Ralph
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Post by Rich on Jan 9, 2016 13:57:14 GMT
In fan circles, i think he was obscure and now he isn't really. My knowledge of transformers is very far from encyclopedic and I know who he is pretty well. Outside fan circles, sure he's obscure but then so are all but 5 or 10 transformers. Ask people who identify as fans in the uk (I'm not in a position to comment more widly)if they have ever heard of him and I would suspect most would say yes.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 9, 2016 13:59:17 GMT
Whereas Rabbicrater or Shotbomber ....
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Post by Rich on Jan 9, 2016 14:03:52 GMT
Whereas Rabbicrater or Shotbomber .... Indeed, not a clue (heads to google). |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 9, 2016 14:09:45 GMT
Seems like context. In the last decade(ish) deathsaurus has had one toy, one cancelled toy and potentially one upcoming toy. Has been a major character in a series released in the uk, australia and finally north america. He also has appeared in the current transformers comic.
In comparison sky lynx in the same time has had one non western reissue and one upcoming toy. Featured though not often in transformers series available on dvd, online and cable? And appears in the current idw comic.
That's pretty even and I wouldn't consider either obscure. Geography plays a part, the west didnt get g1 deathsaurus, japan g1 skylynx. Neither was then much heard of for a couple of decades. Both have made a come back in recent years.
Comparing either to bantor though... a 20 year old toy, did he make the idw bw series? And one reference in a cartoon series. Thats obscure.
Enemy, two pieces of merchandise in the mid 80s then nothing for 30 years. Obscure.
Racknruinn, couple of appearances in marvel uk(admittedly with a hundred thousand readership) nothing til ocasional mentions in idw. Obscure.
Im sure to anyone , like shockprowl for example, who came back in because of the movies all of the above are pretty obscure, skylynx less so maybe in the west, deathsaurus in asia. But obscurity has to be looked at as shades of grey rather than black and white. In terms of people who spend time on boards like these deathsaurus I expect is right in the middle. Greyest of grey. Kjown by everyone, no, known by noone, no.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 9, 2016 14:26:18 GMT
Whereas Rabbicrater or Shotbomber .... Indeed, not a clue (heads to google). I hope this helps, I have prepared an analysis of the obscure Transformers and the most efficient pair-bondings!  |
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Post by Toph on Jan 9, 2016 16:34:02 GMT
Neither of us are doing that. You're being a dick. Oi! Name calling is uncalled for! I've not said anything mean or inappropriate, I've not been angry or done anything but enjoy a debate. I've not done or said anything to deserve that. |
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Post by Toph on Jan 9, 2016 16:50:50 GMT
My proven point is how some long time fans will refuse to admit obscure characters are obscure. And you and Doc are doing exactly that. No we're not. Don't put words into my mouth. There is no 'proven' point here. We're discussing the children's toy character Deathsaurus. It is your *opinion* that he is an obscure character. It is my *opinion* that he is not. Neither are facts. It's a discussion: points of view. -Ralph Obscurity is not an opinion. Obscurity is a perspective. And someone who indulges in something can tend to become blind that that thing can be pretty obscure to other people. And that something's obscurity can change over time. Terrorsaur, even having multiple toys across two "generations," and being a main character in the only TF cartoon of it's time, is today a pretty damned obscure character. Cheetor being a main character in TWO cartoons, and a ton of toys, having been the Bumblebee of his day, is fairly obscure. Hotshot, too. I live and breathe Beast Wars, but I'm also keenly aware that there are a metric ton of fans who've only heard of these guys in passing, if at all, and are barely even aware Beast Wars was a thing. Deathsaurus is certainly pretty obscure. Also I appologize for putting words in your mouth. |
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